vbgeek's mods in vb.org?

[beduino]

Hello,
Anybody have any notice about that?

The only solution I can see at this stage is to submit the latest builds to .org in hopes that the community will be able to pick up development and support of the projects.

[ see in http://www.thevbgeek.com/showthread.php?t=3613 ]
My question is about open [or not] a new install with Gars...
Tks in advance
Joao Barroca
aka beduino

[RaceJunkie]

Well I was sure looking forward to the News Letter he has.. I wish someone would do one, I don't understand why no one has yo would think it would be a great seller..

[beduino]

Hello,
Samuel has living family's problems [if I understand...]
Newslletter like commbull
http://www.octanedev.com/support/index.php
Sean hacks
All the best
Beduino

[Brad]

Such a shame to see so many people against his work begin released here for free. The entire community would benefit from having these modifications released here (or anywhere).

I'm hoping he decides to release all of this here (or anywhere!) under a license that would allow anyone to modify the source code and re-package it.

I can understand his customers not wanting things to go in this direction because they paid for the software. But at the end of the day they were mostly paying for one-on-one support which is going to come to an end no matter what the author decides, unless he has time continue developing and supporting his software in the future at some point or transfers ownership of the products to another person.

At least they will have a chance of getting support from multiple people in the community if the work is released here. A "paid mod" going free will attract a lot of traffic and many people that didn't have a chance to try the software before will begin to using it. Lets not forget about the guys writting code around here who'll likely be taking a peek at all this new source code and thinking up ways to improve it. There is also the matter of vBulletin upgrades....the current versions of the modifications may stop working at some point in the future when a new version of vBulletin is released. However these modifications are popular enough that someone in the community is bound to port them. If these modifications remain under their current license such ports can not be released to the community....meaning you're stuck doing it yourself or paying someone to do it for you.

As a community we need large projects like this! They should be open and anyone should be free to re-use/re-release the code provided that they have added something unique to it.

I wish The Geek and his family all the best.

[Lizard King]

Sorry but why such a shame ? This site is not as it used to be anymore and i know tons of people who doesn't visit vb.org anymore ( like me ) I seriously donot want that quality products will be released here and die slowly. I prefer another company purchase the rights of the scripts from Sam or wait him to solve the crisis matter at least 5-6 month. This site is not the old vb.org sorry to tell this but vb.org is dying eacy other day.

Originally Posted by Brad

I can understand his customers not wanting things to go in this direction because they paid for the software. But at the end of the day they were mostly paying for one-on-one support which is going to come to an end no matter what the author decides, unless he has time continue developing and supporting his software in the future at some point or transfers ownership of the products to another person.

It has nothing to do with money in my case. My important case is that there are not enough good coders here anymore. People only care about their release level , admin powers etc... As i stated this site is dying and i don't want Sam's quality mods die with vb.org. This is all my opinion you may feel that vb.org is in perfect condition and i respect that.

Originally Posted by Brad

The entire community would benefit from having these modifications released here (or anywhere).

That is a very important sentence because it exactly show what is missing here. Community ...


Also I want to explain good coder : There are perfect coders still at vb.org but because of increasing number of support requests etc nobody wants to help anyone else. Most people care about their release level and lots of mods coding standarts are not good.

In vb 3 days my board was hacked to death now i only have couple small mods from here. Because when i check the code i really hesitate to install most of them.

If Sam will release the modifications here what may happen , we must concentrate on that. A un qualified coder will probably take the matter in his/her hands because this code will bring fame to him on vb.org and fame will return money via paid modifications forum. Gars is a really extensive product and it needs to be improved perfectly but our coder will not be able to do that. And soon or later the product will loose all the benefits it gives to users.

[Brad]

If you don't visit how is it that you saw my reply?

You're missing the point, he can release it anywhere for all I care. As long as I'm allowed to modify and re-release it freely anywhere I want I will be happy.

This has nothing to do with vBulletin.org, vBulletin.org is not the vBulletin community..it's simply a place where that community meets (well part/most of it anyway).

If Sam will release the modifications here what may happen , we must concentrate on that. A un qualified coder will probably take the matter in his/her hands because this code will bring fame to him on vb.org and fame will return money via paid modifications forum. Gars is a really extensive product and it needs to be improved perfectly but our coder will not be able to do that. And soon or later the product will loose all the benefits it gives to users.

None of that holds true if anyone is free to pick it up and run with it. So what if an "un qualified" programming plays with it? What does skill level matter? Is he not allowed to learn by doing like the rest of us? Are you saying he won't pick up good habits by reading and making modifications to code released by a respect hacker in our community?

In your eyes this site may have "failed" but your attitude is not helping to correct this problem at all. Are things really so bad that two people with a different view point on a subject can't discuss it here without bringing up the old "the community is dead" argument?

I'm still here...(almost) 6 years running and helping out where possible. There are plenty of people around here that have been around as long as I have (if not longer). You might not see us much but then again we tend to stay out of the 'board politics' because we know better by now.

But back to the point; Why are you guys so against having this released here but so quick to have it sold to another service provider? Have you forgotten what happened to vBgallery? What happens if this new owner decides to stop providing support/updates for the software you own? What if they're not interested in transferring the rights to the software to someone else? These are things you all should be thinking about as a customer.

[Lizard King]

Originally Posted by Brad

If you don't visit how is it that you saw my reply?

You're missing the point, he can release it anywhere for all I care. As long as I'm allowed to modify and re-release it freely anywhere I want I will be happy.

This has nothing to do with vBulletin.org, vBulletin.org is not the vBulletin community..it's simply a place where that community meets (well part/most of it anyway).

None of that holds true if anyone is free to pick it up and run with it. So what if an "un qualified" programming plays with it? What does skill level matter? Is he not allowed to learn by doing like the rest of us? Are you saying he won't pick up good habits by reading and making modifications to code released by a respect hacker in our community?

In your eyes this site may have "failed" but your attitude is not helping to correct this problem at all. Are things really so bad that two people with a different view point on a subject can't discuss it here without bringing up the old "the community is dead" argument?

I'm still here...(almost) 6 years running and helping out where possible. There are plenty of people around here that have been around as long as I have (if not longer). You might not see us much but then again we tend to stay out of the 'board politics' because we know better by now.

But back to the point; Why are you guys so against having this released here but so quick to have it sold to another service provider? Have you forgotten what happened to vBgallery? What happens if this new owner decides to stop providing support/updates for the software you own? What if they're not interested in transferring the rights to the software to someone else? These are things you all should be thinking about as a customer.

We both now that vbgallery case was totally different. vBGallery was killing photopost sales thats why they forced Brian to give up on the script. The background story may be different but the main idea on photopost was surely killing vbgallery.

However on the other hand Gars , Gal , Gaz have no competition product in the market . Gars is probably one of the best 2 top selling product as vBulletin addons and if Sam will decide to sell it he'll make sure the new owner will be a company who already provides good support and has quality products. So your theory may have a 1% chance but unfortunately mine has 50% of chance.

As for the vb.org friendly i gave up all my hopes for this site. You are right this is not the place to discuss but i just wanted to explain why i don't want those hacks to be released here. If you want to discuss about vb.org more you're always welcome to discuss that privately Brad.

[Brad]

We both now that vbgallery case was totally different. vBGallery was killing photopost sales thats why they forced Brian to give up on the script. The background story may be different but the main idea on photopost was surely killing vbgallery.

The events around it begin transfered were not the same but the fact that it was handed over to another service provider is exactly the same thing that is going to happen with all of The Geek's products.

I'm saying that they can be killed off by whomever gets the rights to them, nothing more.

However on the other hand Gars , Gal , Gaz have no competition product in the market . Gars is probably one of the best 2 top selling product as vBulletin addons and if Sam will decide to sell it he'll make sure the new owner will be a company who already provides good support and has quality products. So your theory may have a 1% chance but unfortunately mine has 50% of chance.

My theory has just as much chance of happening as yours, don't make up stats and pretend they're real.

I'm sure he'll pass is off to someone he trusts but even in that case unexpected things can happen. If these scripts are really that popular then there is no doubt many new customers are going to be looking for support, resources, and answers to general questions.

Can the new service provider handle all of that? Do they have enough people around to develop and support all of these new modifications? Are these scripts going to bring in enough profit to warrent doing all of this work?

Your main issue seems to be that if these modifications were released for free they would "be hacked into a jumble of crap and not be supported". Have you even considered just hiring someone for one-on-one support when you need it? That is always an option even in the modification begin supported is free. As for the code "going to crap", sure it can happen but if everyone is free to work on it everyone is free to fix things up when needed. Just look at all the forked projects in the open source community!

On the subject of vB.org; It's a boring subject so I'll pass. There are plenty of places where people enjoy reading the same old rants about vB.org though. I'm sure you know where to find them by now.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I don't understand why we are discusing this topic here on vbulletin.org at all.

This is something that will be discussed on his own website, and i am sure that he will make a decission on how to continue in the best interest of his customers. Where or how he will continue to offer his work is up to him. If he would decide to release his work on vB.org, then i am confident that he will find coders and supporters that will fit his standards to continue his work.

All we can do for now is wish him the best in sorting out his family problems.

[RaceJunkie]

The Geek has a couple scripts I would love to use mainly the news letter, I was hesitant about buying one because of the single user support whenever he was gone there was usually no support until he returned. Both options have it's good and bad points I'm sure, I only hope that if it gets released here that the Geek picks a coder himself that has supported their own mods in the past. I can't stand it when someone releases a mod and it's not even supported why even bother? As far as releasing it to another party and it being paid I would only hope that there is a team involved and not only one person.



I wish the Geek and his family well, May God Bless.

Originally Posted by beduino

Hello,
Samuel has living family's problems [if I understand...]
Newslletter like commbull
http://www.octanedev.com/support/index.php
Sean hacks
All the best
Beduino

Thanks but I am going to try and hold out for he Geeks..