HTML Discussion Thread

[Borgs8472]

Originally Posted by TECK

What I ment was putting focus on the actual hacks, not to learn how to make a HTML table, for example.
Sorry for misunderstanding. I thought the words "flower design" will reflect that.

Look at my (very popular) bbcode mod(s) and reconsider this please. Learning the HTML for it was essential, as well as the vb intergration. You're putting HTML down rather unnecessarily I feel...

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This was designed in the golden time by a guy called nakkid.
Do you know him? He was involved in HTML and graphic design at vB.org site, not only in hacks.
He put a lot of heart to the vB.org users, just to make this place a better one, asking nothing in exchange.

I agree (because we don't have a paid hacks directory ) that the statement doesn't quite match what the site is.

[Dean C]

Originally Posted by Borgs8472

Look at my (very popular) bbcode mod(s) and reconsider this please. Learning the HTML for it was essential, as well as the vb intergration. You're putting HTML down rather unnecessarily I feel...

I agree (because we don't have a paid hacks directory ) that the statement doesn't quite match what the site is.

That's because any one and their mother can do HTML now. It's taught in schools and in most countries ICT is a required subject now. It's ridiculous and it's gone past the stage of being a talent.

[Freesteyelz]

Originally Posted by Dean C

That's because any one and their mother can do HTML now. It's taught in schools and in most countries ICT is a required subject now. It's ridiculous and it's gone past the stage of being a talent.

Anyone can sing a tune too but that doesn't mean they'll be good at it.

[Dean C]

Originally Posted by Freesteyelz

Anyone can sing a tune too but that doesn't mean they'll be good at it.

Singing is an art, you'd say building HTML pages was? I don't think so.

[Logikos]

This hurts saying, but I agree with Dean.

Everyone knows HTML, and they do teach it in our community college. It may not be valid XHTML but anyone with a MySpace pretty much knows some HTML to get by. HTML doesn't impressive me anymore. It's XHTML-1.0-Strict that I find interesting.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Dean C

Singing is an art, you'd say building HTML pages was? I don't think so.

I disagree. For example compare using the command line to a properly designed GUI. The command line may be more powerful but it's hard to get around unless you have the time to learn it. A proper GUI is less powerful, but if designed right anyone can jump right in and start working.

In life design is just as important as function, and in some cases design can help things function better. Without HTML the internet would not be a very friendly place, and I doubt many of you would even be here.

Just because someone skills happen to be in graphics design, html, and css does not make them any less of a programmer. True server side code is more complicated, but you are not at the mercy of the client's machine. Each side of this requires quick thinking and know how, you should not put down each other, you should work together.

[Freesteyelz]

Originally Posted by Dean C

Singing is an art, you'd say building HTML pages was? I don't think so.

No, I'm saying designing HTML (and XHTML/CSS/JS) is an art. How it's implemented, how it renders across browsers and how it displays on screen takes creativeness and know-how. Designing has evolved since the pioneer days of slapping codes together for a more friendly-style interface and there are designers who've evolved with the times.

I've grouped the HTML class as anything but server-side coding. I would also note that many Designers do server-side coding. Since that isn't the argument I'll move onward...

@LiveWire: As stated above, I've grouped HTML into the class of XHTML, as it's a generation above. Now I can't speak for another so I will share my experiences.

I've done complete XHTML 1.0 strict and CSS compliant sites. I've also constructed sites using pure CSS, no Tables. Notice most sites render differently among browsers (mainly IE, Firefox and Opera), even if all codes are compliant. My work often deals in exact pixels so I take extra care on every line of code. I know, not think, that skill plays a role here.

General rule of thumb: You can be taught and get by. You can only expand what you've learned by going outside the box. Which class defines you?

[Borgs8472]

To put this thread back in context, I appreciate the bits of html I've learnt at vb.org and have no wish to see the site become a php/sql site, rather covering all aspects of vbulletin.

[tgreer]

Regardless of where HTML/CSS/JavaScript is at on the prestige totem pole of web development, there is always someone who has just started learning it. The learning curve, with XHTML, CSS-2, AJAX now on the scene, is steadily increasing.

Therefore, there will always be a need, perhaps even a growing need, for HTML learning resources. I'm ambivalent about .org being such a resource, but would probably lean toward what Borgs8472: it's part of the game, so should be covered here.

[Brad]

The learning curve will keeping growing that is for sure. You'll start to see things in the future that we never thought possible just 5 years ago!

Trust me when I say this, the role of a designer is going to get very hard in the next 5 - 10 years. Thats why is I say you guys must learn to work together, if you don't you'll be missing out on a lot.

Learn from each other, share ideas, and above all show each other the respect you wan't people to show you.