vBulletin Mail System

[high]BEFORE YOU READ FURTHER, DO NOT INSTALL THIS MODIFICATION IN ITS PRESENT STATE. READ THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THIS POST FIRST IF YOU WISH TO INSTALL VBMS. I AM NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTING THIS MODIFICATION.[/high]

Note: For now, this thread will serve for all support questions. Obviously, the thread is going to get very long, very soon, and quickly lose any manageability. I hope to have a Premum Modification forum set up for vBMS, depending on whether the administration here supports it.

The vBulletin Mail System is now a free modification, instead of $40 to $48 (depending on the license). All features of the developer license (notes, etc.) are public as well. These files will be released shortly; they are not available yet.

For product information: http://www.webdesignforums.net/vbms/ .

What's attached to this thread?

The latest development version of vBMS, designed for 3.5 (incompatible with 3.0 in many ways, incompatible with 3.6 in a handful of ways). It is not to be installed in a live environment under any conditions.

What does this mean?

The forum at http://www.webdesignforums.net/vbms/forum/ will no longer serve as a support forum. If you have questions, you should do one of two things:

• Post in this thread ONLY. All technical, historical, and nearly all other threads should be posted here. In all likelyhood, I will not response to technical questions in this thread, and I will not respond to such requests via private messages or other means. By posting in this thread, tens of thousands of other users can help you in addition to me (provided they don't get there first and I have the time).
• If the question is personal for me only--no development questions--then send me a private message. Send the private message only through my site (http://www.webdesignforums.net/), not this site, so I can easily look up your customer history. Effectively, this involves billing only, or other licensing questions.

What about those who purchased the product?

When you bought vBMS, you were paying for the stable 3.0 release that has been around for over a year, and a 2.3.x release that has been around for much longer (since 2003). You still have access to those products (they will be released in the new forum). However, your license has been inherited to a standard open-source license: you may now install vBMS on as many domains and forums as you like, as well as freely distribute it.

Your input has also allowed a stable 3.5 version to be very close to completion. The expertise of the tens of thousands of coders who are now exposed to vBMS--which includes the developers of vBulletin themselves--will further improve the product to create a stable and full-featured product for vBulletin 3.5, 3.6, and beyond.

If your intention was to buy a 3.5 release, please note that it was clearly and repeatedly mentioned that a 3.5 version was only under development, not readily available, and that the version available was specifically not suitable for live use. I apologize if you thought this was different as I attempted to make it abundantly clear, including specifically telling people not to buy vBMS if they are running vBulletin 3.5 or later.

However, with this transition to open source, you will still get what you paid for, and faster: a stable 3.5/3.6 release.

Why go open-source?

To be honest, it is not fair to those who bought a vBMS license but have upgraded their installation of vBulletin to beyond 3.0. This will allow a much faster development cycle with support from many vBulletin modification developers. There are secondary reasons as well:

• Time. vBMS is well over 16,000 lines of code. Managing a product of that scope is simply beyond the several hours free I have each week to develop the product. Also, with Jelsoft churning out the vBulletin versions, developing a product that is dependent on frequent changes is extremely difficult. That is not to say that frequent new versions of vBulletin is a bad thing; it simply makes development difficult.
• Product scale. As mentioned above, vBMS is huge--far bigger than the majority of vBMS additions and even bigger than some of the version transitions of vBulletin itself.
• Reverse engineering vBulletin. As a factor of the two above, I am finding it increasingly difficult to develop for vBulletin. While I applaud Jelsoft for offering a product and specifically not mangling, encrypting, or otherwise prohibiting the viewing of its source (obviously, for customers only), there is still much to be done to favor strongly to developers who build products exclusively for their product. Others who feel catoring towards developers can help Jelsoft can see my request for a "developer license" of vBulletin.
• Fraud. As many people know, online software vendors are among the worst hit for credit card fraud, and it's extremely damaging: even if a thousand copies of a piece of software are sold, it only takes one single fraudulent order to leak the product, voiding, in all honesty, the majority of future orders. After putting a great deal of time into vBMS to see it stolen so brazenly, it demoralized me.
• Bad experiences. I have appealed several times to the community to hire additional developers, but the developers I hand-picked did not work out on these occasions. So far, none of the experiences has sped up development time, so paid outside help has not worked out.
• Personal reasons. I have changed jobs, taken on part-time work (I'm still poor), and even had a death in the family break up my work.

But the ultimate reason: I want vBMS to be available for all current versions of vBulletin so those who paid good money do not feel cheated.

What can and can't I do with an open-source vBMS in terms of licensing?

You can:

• Distribute vBMS to anybody you like.
• Modify vBMS to do whatever you like (excluding changing copyright notices), and then claim the changes as your own.
• Remove mentions of vBMS, the "vBulletin Mail System", or other branding.
• Develop special distributions of vBMS that you have extensively modified, and distribute those changes as a package
• Sell any components of vBMS that you have directly created (this is allowed, but discouraged). Only the components themselves may be sold, not the entire package with your modifications included.

You cannot:

• Advertise any of your modifications that you may be selling at vBulletin.org.
• Use vBMS for any illegal purposes, including use vBMS on a forum without an active vBulletin license.
• Modify vBMS to do whatever you like, and then claim the entire product as your own.
• Remove mentions of vBMS, the "vBulletin Mail System", or other branding, and replace them with others that imply you exclusively developed the product.
• Sell any components of vBMS that the product originally contained or others have freely developed.
• Sell the product as a whole, including a modified product.

What technical skills do I need to understand how vBMS works?

You need the usual vBulletin skills in general. This means PHP, MySQL, HTML, and CSS. You also should have a working knowledge of XML.

You'll also need to familiarize yourself with how MIME headers in e-mails work. If you want to modify how vBMS receives and routes mail, you'll need to understand the beast that is the imap library: http://www.php.net/imap . The imap library is only used to receive messages; sending messages has no dependency on imap.

Will you help with development?

I'll offer simple assistance in whatever free time I have--and I'll only do it publicly in the new forum. I will not write extensive parts of code for you or talk to you privately about vBMS. I will enjoy answering questions about how vBMS works at a high-level, and then you can see the inner workings to see how it's actually implemented.

So can vBMS actually be installed?

The version of vBMS that has been uploaded is the latest development version. It can be installed on a test forum, but there are several critical bugs that need to be resolved. You can browse the old support forums (http://www.webdesignforums.net/vbms/) for an overview of those bugs. I have a suspicion that they are simple fixes to you, the community with experience with vBulletin.

What is the first goal of those movement to open-source?

I wish to have a stable version of vBMS with little to no known bugs available for vBulletin 3.5 and 3.6 as soon as possible to appease past and present customers. Feature additions should come later; compatibility and bug fixes should be the utmost priority. When the stable version for 3.5 and 3.6 is available, then new features can be added. At the old forums, there is a list of feature requests, many of which have been addressed.

What will be my role in this?

As a user experienced with vBulletin development, both you and others will benefit from a stable 3.5/3.6 version of vBMS. That should be the priority. Feature additions, visual tweaks, etc. come later. Compatibility and just making it work completely with the features already present is the most important.

What remains to be done for a transition to open-source?

The version of vBMS attached to this thread is the latest one to which customers had access. It is still littered with copyright information and warnings about piracy. While the copyright information is still valid and will perpetually be valid, you can obviously ignore the piracy warnings. A proper version will be uploaded within several days that is fully suitable for open-source use.

Remember, this means that the piracy warning is no longer applicable, but the copyright information is applicable and must never, under any circumstances, be removed.

Any last thoughts?

As with any modification, back up your site files, but more importantly, your database, before proceeding. vBMS makes a significant number of alterations and new tables.

[filburt1]

Originally Posted by cbr929rrerion

OK.. I have installed this on my 3.5 board, it seems to work so far, no errors, seems smooth..

Now.. I can go to the compose and send a mail to anyone at any email address as normal, but I am not receiving any emails. If I reply back or try to just send to my alias@mydomain.com I get a failure notice it cant be sent..

any help would be appreciated..

What is the exact text of the failure notice? Are you sure you have a catch-all account?

[deathemperor]

is it possible to get the vbms for vbulletin 3.0.x anywhere ?

[filburt1]

Originally Posted by deathemperor

is it possible to get the vbms for vbulletin 3.0.x anywhere ?

Attached.

[deathemperor]

great, that was quick, thanks

[Wired1]

Originally Posted by Brent H

Honestly, if you're trying to go open-source, then trying to restrict the code to vBulletin license holders ONLY is a pretty fruitless effort.

I believe he means open souce as in the vBulletin community would help to build it for the vBulletin community.

The SPECIFIC community being the ones who have actually PAID for vBulletin. He doesn't want vBulletin pirates to have easy access to it. Yes, there's no doubt that eventually a paying vBulletin license holder will hand over the code to a pirate, but there's nothing wrong with discouraging them a bit.

[Brent H]

Originally Posted by Wired1

I believe he means open souce as in the vBulletin community would help to build it for the vBulletin community.

The SPECIFIC community being the ones who have actually PAID for vBulletin. He doesn't want vBulletin pirates to have easy access to it. Yes, there's no doubt that eventually a paying vBulletin license holder will hand over the code to a pirate, but there's nothing wrong with discouraging them a bit.

Understandable. However, it might be wise to choose a better place for trying to organize any reasonably sized group of people willing to fix and improve this.

Throwing some buggy code into a release forum here won't get anyone interested in helping. You need a centralized location to make plans from and a way to discuss various aspects of this thing in separate areas... That can't happen here and I doubt it will happen at all, based on the "gotta keep it away from people without vB!" attitude I see here. That seems selfish and counter productive. Is someone really going to obtain a hacked version of vBulletin because of this mod?

I don't see a problem at all with using the existing VBMS forum and organizing stuff from there. If you're really that paranoid about non vB owners seeing everything, throw a password on the forums, put the password in a PHP box here and away you go.

It's been two weeks since this was made "open source" and I haven't seen so much as one person saying "okay, let's get organized".

If I had any kind of coding ability, I'd be the first to step up and take this under my wing. I don't have that ability, but I do have the willingness to help and will do whatever it takes to get this working.

[filburt1]

You described the situation quite well, and I agree that it will help. Unfortunately, the solution of a password is secure at first but fails immediately once the password gets out.

I am working on connecting my site to vB.org to provide a casual authentication system, This way, the discussion can take place in its own forum, or whole set of forums (hell, maybe the existing forums currently only for customers), and still be restricted to vBulletin license holders.

Several fraudulent purchases of vBMS were made (stolen credit card, hacked PayPal account, etc.). I've also seen literally hundreds of pirated vBulletin forum installations. Finally, vBMS, or at least its concept of providing administration-free web mail to forum users, is popular and often-requested. I have no doubt that it is the correct decision to insist that only those most likely to own vBulletin licenses can access the product. As you note, the only problem is balancing this need of protecting both vBMS and vBulletin while still making it easy for as many people as possible to collaborate on the project.

[Brent H]

^^
Well said

I'm glad to hear that efforts are still being made. It's hard work to maintain something of this size on one's own, so I congratulate you on what you've accomplished so far. If there's any way I can help, any way at all, let me know and I'll be happy to assist.

[MPDev]

I have this running on my 3.6 system (installed under 3.5) with some minor modifications.

line 74 in vbms_new.php:

if (!empty($_POST['action']))

line 31 in vbms_class_mail_message.php:

define("VBMS_CRLF", "\n");

and I run the vbms_cron.php as a cron:

*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/wget -q http://www.mysite.com/forum/includes/cron/vbms_cron.php --delete-after

I'd be glad to pitch in where I could as time permits; our users have used this for some time with no problems and other than these few changes for 3.6, everything seems to be working fine now.

[COBRAws]

Originally Posted by MPDev

I have this running on my 3.6 system (installed under 3.5) with some minor modifications.

line 74 in vbms_new.php:

if (!empty($_POST['action']))

line 31 in vbms_class_mail_message.php:

define("VBMS_CRLF", "\n");

and I run the vbms_cron.php as a cron:

*/1 * * * * /usr/bin/wget -q http://www.mysite.com/forum/includes/cron/vbms_cron.php --delete-after

I'd be glad to pitch in where I could as time permits; our users have used this for some time with no problems and other than these few changes for 3.6, everything seems to be working fine now.

are those all the changes? Thanks