Important: It is all about trust

[peterska2]

Originally Posted by LiveWire

I was asking if your opinion on this situation was still the same as you stating before, not whether or not I and other users convinced you that you have changed your mind.

As I previously stated:

Originally Posted by peterska2

It takes a lot more than a handful of complaining users to change my opinion. The only person that will influence my opinion is me. I don't care who disagrees with me. And if you have such a problem with my stance, I recommend the useage of this link

If that doesn't explain it, then I'm sorry, but that is my stance in conjuction with my earlier post in this thread.

[peterska2]

Originally Posted by LiveWire

Thank you Mark B! Finally someone who understands what is going on.

Since Paul has to remove that line of code from his hack. Should I remove this line of code from mine?

<img alt="vBhacks Forum" border="0" src="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/images/misc/vbulletin3_logo_white.gif" />

I use that here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=63841 in my install.html file. I'm acually seriously asking this and not being sarcastic.

That image is not performing an action, just displaying a static image. That is the difference.

[The Geek]

duh. Should have looked at the code a little closer.

Seriously though - not a big deal in my book. If that is indeed a reason to get banned, then its a bit silly.
You encourage people to click the install button if they install. That code seems to click install when they install it. For me, it would be like a convenience. If the install system here wasn't so pants, then no one would be breaking any rule.
Regardless, this is under the umbrella of spy ware, back doors, trojans, phishing, etc... and that is overkill.

I agree with the general sentiments that people doing malicious things with release code here should be treated seriously - hitting the install button for you isn't a malicious thing. Installing a modification and not hitting install is malicious. Hell, go ban those guys

crap. Forgot my other point:

That to me doesnt qualify as undocumented functionality.
Plus, most hacks have undocumented functionality. Hell, a number of stuff round here has NO documentation making the whole freaking thing undocumented functionality.

Sure... gotta love symantics

[Mark.B]

Originally Posted by The Geek

duh. Should have looked at the code a little closer.

Seriously though - not a big deal in my book. If that is indeed a reason to get banned, then its a bit silly.
You encourage people to click the install button if they install. That code seems to click install when they install it. For me, it would be like a convenience. If the install system here wasn't so pants, then no one would be breaking any rule.
Regardless, this is under the umbrella of spy ware, back doors, trojans, phishing, etc... and that is overkill.

I agree with the general sentiments that people doing malicious things with release code here should be treated seriously - hitting the install button for you isn't a malicious thing. Installing a modification and not hitting install is malicious. Hell, go ban those guys

Very true. And if the likes of Paul M and others are in fact banned, coupled with the other issues with other coders leaving or not being generally happy, it will be a dark time for this site and vBulletin the software generally.

[Logikos]

Then they pull this months HOTM: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...wpost&t=115667 without notifify anyone about there actions. I happen to see a fellow coder that was in the running with me post it in the feedback for.

Great way to start a more positive vibe around here.

[Chroder]

This thread isn't all about the auto-install click thing. It's a warning.

Yes, the auto-install clickers do fall under this policy. No matter how you look at it, the plugins are doing something the end user is not aware of, and did not consent to. No matter how simple or seemingly harmless, that is still spyware-like activity.

No one will be banned unless they continue to include such functionality. Obviously Paul M and the others will remove the offending code instead of being banned.

As for HOTM, it's been stated (I think?) the same hacks will return next month if they conform to the new policy.

[peterska2]

Originally Posted by LiveWire

Then they pull this months HOTM: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthrea...wpost&t=115667 without notifify anyone about there actions. I happen to see a fellow coder that was in the running with me post it in the feedback for.

Great way to start a more positive vibe around here.

Pulling the HOTM now is much better then leaving it till later when more people have taken part.

Do you not remember the month when one of the choices was removed about half way through and a significant number of people had to PM one of the staff to get their votes changed?

That would be more disruptive, and as such, removing it now and having a month of in light of this announcement is much more productive.

Originally Posted by Mark.B

Very true. And if the likes of Paul M and others are in fact banned, coupled with the other issues with other coders leaving or not being generally happy, it will be a dark time for this site and vBulletin the software generally.

The site will evolve. It is just a cycle. New coders are joining the ranks all the time.

[Mark.B]

I feel I should point something out in the interests of fairness.

I respect her opinion and the work she does.

removed unnecessary "waffle"

[Logikos]

That explaines a lot Mark. Personal vendettas everywhere now. It's ashame people have to come to this level of ignorance over something so silly.

About the HOTM, I'll only talk about that in the thread that was created. I make my points there in regards to the HOTM.

[sabret00the]

[high]* sabret00the grabs :Popcorn:
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IMO this whole thread is a non issue, you add a line in your mod saying that upon installation it clicks install and this becomes a nothing. can't we get over it.

Or we could just put Amy in charge of this thread and she could tell you all about the importance of being able to code and thus being able to read code and that if you didn't read the code before you installed it and it started behaving irratically it's your own fault

(please no one get offended by this post, it was meant to be light hearted)