Overgrow.com Busted, Servers Seized!

[TheComputerGuy]

New vBulletin Rule - If you use are software to discuss pot....your license will be revoked..
vBulletin.com might want to take the props off the frontpage for the random link.

Overgrow the user is a pretty nice guy, and genius IMO. Filaburts comments were rude and frowned upon as a moderator of vBulletin.

I don't smoke the stuff, and I have feelings against it...just think this could be any one of us should a thread go into the wrong direction of our larger sites.

If someone puts up a website that in any way, shape or form helps kids do drugs, I'm with filburt and am happy to see it go. One kid, one hundred kids, it doesn't matter.

[Tigga]

Originally Posted by filburt1

I support free speech. I do not support speech of any kind on illegal topics. You could distort it to a view that discussing illegal activities is a form of conspiracy to commit the crimes in question.

Let's say I opened up a forum about homicide. That's a crime. Would your opinion change?

The last time I checked free speech included the right to discuss topics that you would find on their site, whether you personally find them offensive or not. Do you drink alcohol at all? Even if you don't... Say a site that contained info about making mixed drinks was in the same situation. Would you have the same attitude then?
And I'm sorry, but your comparison to homicide is just plain ridiculous. Try comparing it to something more like a DUI and you might have some ground to stand on.

Famous quote: It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

Originally Posted by tgillespie

Excuse me, but I am very aware the world extends beyond America.
Sorry, but thats a common misconception. Pot is however illegal world wide. Even in the Netherlands. The coffee shop canibus store is popular in the Netherlands and not often attacked by law enforcement which gives the impression that canibus is legal, but it still remains an illegal drug.

World wide, eh? Want to put some money on that one?

[tgillespie]

Originally Posted by Tigga

World wide, eh? Want to put some money on that one?

I don't bet, but I always like new information. Care to share?

[Brad]

I am sure it's legal to do in some places, although you might have to drive a boat out to international waters to get away with it.

I think it's odd how the laws on pot vary so much from state to state (I can understand country to country). For example the state I live in (North Carolina) decriminalized the stuff awhile back, but that does not mean you can go around smoking it in public. The only thing it did was bump the felony charges up to 1 and 1/2 ounces (it used to be 1 ounce).

Possession of one half ounce or less is punishable by up to 30 days in jail, most likely suspended. Possession of greater than one half ounce is punishable by 1 - 120 days in jail, with a possibility of community service or probation in lieu of jail. Possession greater than 1.5 ounces increases the penalties to 8 - 13 months in jail.

Manufacture, sale or delivery of less than five grams, for no remuneration, is considered possession and not sale. For amounts of ten pounds or less, the penalty is 4 - 8 months in jail. Sale or delivery of any amount greater than 10 pounds is considered trafficking and includes a mandatory minimum sentence. An amount greater than 10 pounds, is punishable by 25 - 30 months in prison and a fine of at least $5,000. Sale or delivery of 50 pounds or more is punishable by 35 - 42 months in prison and a fine of at least $25,000. Amounts of 2,000 pounds or greater carry a penalty of 70 - 84 months in prison and a fine of at least $50,000. Sale or delivery of 10,000 pounds or more is punishable by 175 - 219 months in prison and a fine of at least $200,000.

Penalties for sale, delivery or manufacture are increased if the sale occurs within 300 feet of a school zone if the offender is over 21 and if the sale was made to a minor or to a pregnant woman.

Possession of paraphernalia is punishable by up to six months in jail.

To complicate matters, my state has a Tax Stamp law. Basically they expect you to pay taxes on these illegal goods...think about that and tell me it does not blow your mind.

Marijuana tax stamps: This state has a marijuana tax stamp law enacted. This law mandates that those who possess marijuana are legally required to purchase and affix state-issued stamps onto his or her contraband. Failure to do so may result in a fine and/or criminal sanction.

To me that just sounds like kicking someone when they are down.

[Corriewf]

WTH! So if you get busted then you must pay taxes on some transaction that is illegal. So are the dealers including sales tax now?

[Reeve of shinra]

If your required to pay taxes on illegal goods, and do so, wouldn't that make the goods legal?

[S@NL - BlackBik]

I think a couple of peeps here should roll a joint and smoke it.
It relaxes you, I heard

[Logikos]

It sucks to see someone lose something like that. All the hard work and engery put into the site that took many years just gone in seconds.

I don't personally agree with Filburts post either and to go as far as editing just overgrows name out of the vBulletin credits is really disrespectful. It seems your big on having respect, yet you don't seem to give respect in certain situations. I respect the fact that your agaist smoking pot, and in return; you should respect the fact that there are people out there who enjoy smoking pot.

It's funny because most people who smoke pot around here are very cool induvials. The smoke there pot, don't bother anyone, easy to get along with, and also have enough respect to know that people don't smoke pot and wouldn't wish things bad to happen to people who didn't smoke.

I don't think you would find it very nice if you lost WDF and someone posted a comment like: "Good, I'm glad he lost it cause he doesn't smoke pot". Think about it for a few mins. Plus smoking pot isn't illeagal worldwide like homicide is. How often do you hear the news about someone dead because they smoked pot. I would be suprised if you found any cases of some sort. (being that pot killed someone). Though, you can find tons of cases about smoking ciggerates and drinking.

Originally Posted by filburt1

I'd appreciate some respect. The moderator status alone should convey respect, whether I'm 21 or 12.

You moderator status means nothing. In order to get respect, you have to give respect. Having that status means you make sure users follow the site rules, as long as I don't break them; I don't have to respect you as a person.

[tgillespie]

Filburt was not debating whether or not smoking pot was good or bad, but the fact that the site was promoting an illegal activity of exchanging marijuana.

Again, I would love for someone to give me an example of where marijuana is legal.