sup with the attitude we get from staff here?

[Zachery]

Paul, Steve is active here, just not in the overall community aspect. He handles other things here. He is a moderator here (and active I might add) He is also a manager for jelsoft, hes not going anywhere

Rose is on leave, personal reasons.

Assassingod is retired due to time constrains.

[Corriewf]

The problem I see with Rose is someone new or not knowing better and seeing Rose listed as a mod and contacting Rose for help. When that person gets no response, they may feel that the staff here do not care or do not help ect. I dont see this being an issue often, but I am sure it has and will happen.

Unless being a mod here is an absolute status symbol for these two people, I would think it would not be mean to temporally remove them from staff until they return. I am sure they wouldnt want to come back to a full pm box anyhow. I wouldnt. Also maybe putting in thier sig that they are staff, but not active at this time.

[GoTTi]

the staff here does a great job to keep the forum in check...sometimes. just the comments and attitude towards us gets a lil bit to rude, and its not always needed....everyone here does a great job though...

lets not forget, if wayne or any admin wanted to, they can easily check the modcp logs and see whose doing work and whose not.

in my eyes, being a mod is a job, not just a privelage or volunteer work. just cuz steve is a mngr for vbulletin doesnt mean he should be staff here and be bothered by people looking for help and junk with hacks and mods and stuff thats going on here.

with my staff, i go over the modcp logs and see what mod is doing what...checkin if threads are getting handled and users problems within my problem forum and other request. i watch all that, doesnt take long to go over things...but if i see a mod, or even admin, not doing work, answering problems or questions, or just postings replys and threads instead of mod'n the forum and making sure threads are in the right forum and stuff, then i have to hit them up and see whats the issue with that, make sure they understand that being a mod is more then a title to me and i expect things to get done since i cant always baby sit the board, so on. fortunately ive only had to remove a few mods for inactivity, but my staff is pretty solid.

staff and team should be based on what they bring to the community the site is going after, not developing status or if they are some1's friend. if they got things to do in their lives and cant put in time and work on a board to make sure things are running smoothly, i would just remove them from staff and choose individuals trustworthy enough to have the powers to help the community go.

yea, life moves on in peoples lives...well, so do forums.

[---MAD---]

Originally Posted by sabret00the

to add weight to that, i feel all because someone visits doesn't mean they're active, active in my opinion is posting, whether it's helping out with support, helping in the help forums or even just posting int he lounge. but of course they should have a visible presence in any forum they're assigned to.

why do so many people moan?
I think this site is going very well and i think its perfect!

The site doesnt have to be here...they can close if they want...they dont need to have staff active all year around..they dont get paid!

Also, why do so many moan about upgrading...who cares?

If you dont like this fourm i say leave lol...

Anyway, good work vbulletin.org!

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Zachery

Paul, Steve is active here, just not in the overall community aspect. He handles other things here. He is a moderator here (and active I might add)

Well then clearly we have different views on what "active" is. Would you consider me active if i had not posted since March ? I don't dispute he may have a behind the scenes roll here, but I think moderators should be visible to those they moderate, i.e. activly posting on the site.

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by MAD_PLayEr1

why do so many people moan?
I think this site is going very well and i think its perfect!

The site doesnt have to be here...they can close if they want...they dont need to have staff active all year around..they dont get paid!

Also, why do so many moan about upgrading...who cares?

If you dont like this fourm i say leave lol...

Anyway, good work vbulletin.org!

why was i quoted?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Well then clearly we have different views on what "active" is. Would you consider me active if i had not posted since March ? I don't dispute he may have a behind the scenes roll here, but I think moderators should be visible to those they moderate, i.e. activly posting on the site.

Personally i think the opposite. Moderators should be (in their moderating role) be almost invisible on a site. Only sometimes it is needed to show that you are watching to the public as a warning/example. The best work is done unnoticed.

[high]* Marco van Herwaarden thinks that he is a bad moderator by his own description.[/high]

[FleaBag]

I agree Marco. On my site I don't appear as a moderator, the majority of people don't even know I run the site, they just think I post news.

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

Personally i think the opposite. Moderators should be (in their moderating role) be almost invisible on a site. Only sometimes it is needed to show that you are watching to the public as a warning/example. The best work is done unnoticed.

[high]* MarcoH64 thinks that he is a bad moderator by his own description.[/high]

at invisible moderators. people always forget that moderate can mean '+' it doesn't always have to mean '-'.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Well then clearly we have different views on what "active" is. Would you consider me active if i had not posted since March ? I don't dispute he may have a behind the scenes roll here, but I think moderators should be visible to those they moderate, i.e. activly posting on the site.

We are bound to - Everyone has their own unique moderating style, so what is your preference may not be so for someone else

Chris