Beware of Ravio.com & Corey Wojen AKA c-pr0mpt

[Dean C]

This isn't the best place to ask as Corey doesn't visit here anymore. He has been addressing the thread at WHT so i suggest making a comment over there

[groovesalad]

WHT?

[Dean C]

Sorry www.webhostingtalk.com - the link to the thread is posted at www.raviowarning.com

[groovesalad]

Yeah, he won't respond over there. Hope that guy gets what's coming to him.

[slinky]

[edited by mist]

[Dean C]

slinky - i've edited your post. If people had done what you said you'd both be breaking the law. Please don't post such things again Thanks.

[slinky]

Originally Posted by Mist

slinky - i've edited your post. If people had done what you said you'd both be breaking the law. Please don't post such things again Thanks.

Mist, I appreciate your zealousness and high regard for the law.

However, I cannot conceive what part of my post would be or might constitute, in any fashion, "breaking the law" and thus deleted in the entirety with your ambiguous follow-up message. If I am mistaken please let me know but given my day job I'd be extremely surprised if something I posted could in any way be a situation where myself and some other individual would "both be breaking the law."

Let's see -- I said I paid for a skin and paypal told me that I had done so. After not receiving said skin my three requests for support are still unacknowledged to my knowledge and much to my chagrin. I certainly cannot see what is wrong with the reiteration of those facts and truth is the absolute defense against defamation, libel in this instance which is a civil cause of action. Additionally, I had mentioned that anyone who had information concerning the whereabouts of this individual's business would be of interest to me and I would check with my sources to see what we might be able to do in order to bring about a resolution of these matters.

I would enjoy continuing the conversation and understanding the reason for the 'moderation' of my post.

[Dean C]

The fact is you paid for your product. If you didn't receieve it that does not entitle you to get the copy via other means. That is an invidual zip file which only you have rights for so you should pursue getting it with vbskins and if you feel necessary take action. So if someone gives you the style and continues to use the style themselves they will be breaking the law for breaking copyrights. Secondly you'll be breaking the law for using it. Compare it to buying a copy of office xp. Someone gives it you and continues to use it under their license....

[FlyBoy73]

Just a little update on Corey Wojen & Co.

I had worked out a deal with him, that if he were to correct his problems with not only myself, but the other people he screwed, I would consider posting a follow-up on however he handled matter with me, and possibly even taking www.RavioWarning.com offline. Again, if he proved he had changed.

Well, from what I was told he was taking care of the clients that he had problems with, me included.. With regards to me, I spend probably 20 hours working with him on the new design, hacks and all.. I mean he was over half-way finished.. And POOOF! Gone again.. It's been almost a month.. Same story.. No contact.. No replies..
I actually started worrying about him considering the change I thought had taken place based on his actions, until I saw his new Ravio site design and progress on other sites..

I didn't loose any money, because I hadn't paid him a penny, though I told him I had decided to pay him because he had been working so hard on the new site design to makeup for the crappy first one (it was going to be a freebie job).. But, he just proved to me for the last time he is not to be trusted or relied upon..

I can only speculate on why someone would do what he does... He had EVERYTHING to gain by completing the work he was doing for me.. He was almost there! I even told him I was going to pay him $750.00 because of his effort to make things right and how hard he was working.. (Again, he started out doing it for free to make up for the past crap)

I'll admit, I have just shaken my head over this.. I wasn't going to use him at all, but he convinced me otherwise.. Made me believe he changed his business practices and then just cut his own throat with me.. (And others again) It sounds very characteristic of someone with substance abuse problems... Get some money and they go binge.. Of course, I am not saying that is his problem, but damn if I can?t figure out why the hell someone with talent and potential would just throws things down the tubes like that...

Of course, there are others out there that don't know his history.. Unfortunately, many will find out the hard way.

I have been in contact in the last couple weeks with a number of others past clients of Corey / Ravio that used to be very happy with him.. Some of them gave me the initial reference about him that was glowing, but turns out in the last year he has screwed many of them over as well, even after them sending him gifts + cash.. Their boards are sitting largely like mine was? With A LOT of bad code and barely functioning. They have sought out new coders and designers to fix them, since Corey never came back to fix the work, or the incomplete work that he never finished. That is one of his worst traits.. Not completing the work.. And it is one of OUR worst mistakes for making final payment prior to EVERYTHING being ironed out.. I am guilty of this.. I am guilty of a lot of things when it comes to Corey Wojen / Ravio.. But, I have learned my lesson, and it is an unfortunate one at that.. Because being burned by him has made me take a different stance when it comes to contracting people to do work.. Contracts.. No payment in full until the job is 100% complete, etc..
Before, I wouldn't have a problem leaving a few loose ends that need fixing and paying someone the money for their hard work, because I trusted they would get them fixed.. Most people I have met in the design/coding community are like this.. They do it because they like what they do, and they like the friends/associates they make along the way.. Well, some people just take advantage of that..
I hope all the Corey Wojen / C-UN-pr0mpt / Ravio groupies (if there are any more left) understand what he has done.. He has made people looking for designers, coders, etc, question WHO you are and what you do, and whether you are legit..

Anyway, I promised I would keep everyone informed about how things went with him.. Well, there it is.. I didn?t loose any money this time but I did get a GREAT BIG confirmation that nothing has changed.. I won?t waste space here, but for those of you that doubt it, I have every single email from this ?episode? as well..

If you use Corey Wojen / Ravio LLC, you DO SO AT YOUR OWN PERIL..

[slinky]

Originally Posted by Mist

The fact is you paid for your product. If you didn't receieve it that does not entitle you to get the copy via other means. That is an invidual zip file which only you have rights for so you should pursue getting it with vbskins and if you feel necessary take action. So if someone gives you the style and continues to use the style themselves they will be breaking the law for breaking copyrights. Secondly you'll be breaking the law for using it. Compare it to buying a copy of office xp. Someone gives it you and continues to use it under their license....

Thank you for the explanation Mist. Respectfully, are you speaking from experience with the legal system or the way you understand it to be?

There is a common law doctrine known as the "unclean hands" doctrine. In the example you gave, if someone purchased a license to use Windows XP from Microsoft directly and Microsoft (in this example) took their money but didn't give the customer a CD and the customer obtained a copy of the CD from another source and performed one install, Microsoft could not even come into court and sue the purchaser for infringement. Without even getting into the license that is actually purchased, since Microsoft had wrongfully breached the agreement and withheld the CD from the purchaser and kept the money, Microsoft would have "unclean hands" and could not avail itself of the protection of the courts to enforce the "agreement."

With regard to the logic, respectfully it is again aberrant and somewhat absurd. Let's not deal with the point of whether the Windows XP license is the physical CD or the right to install and run 1 copy of Windows XP on a single computer -- do you even think that, provided someone bought a Windows XP license with a key, that Microsoft could give a crap if that person left his CD at home and used a friend's copy to install it provided that person used his key and installed only one copy on one computer? You tell me -- what would even the damages be to Microsoft? There are none.

And if you think I have 'my remedies' to travel wherever this person is to get my file and take action, e.g. sue him in court (small claims only effective in the local county of the defendant) then who are we kidding? Let's get real....

I hope that before our moderators start editing and censoring entire posts here and accusing illegal actions by members of this forum, we might have a little discussion first to discuss rather than concluding.