What do you think about Vbulletin vs Xenforo?

[JacquiiDesigns]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

I was active in the past but i am not a customer, meaning i never bought XF ... i wouldn't want to invest and put money on [XF] ....

This reminds me of the statement my highschool poli-sci teacher used to say all the time: If you are of voting age and you fail to take part in the voting process - shut up! You have no right to complain about the political brouhaha of the day.

Not that I'm telling you to shut up mind you... But I do find it interesting that you as one of the most vocal, anti-xf naysayers (here at the .org anyway) are not even an XF customer. I personally think it should be left to those who have a vested (invested?) interest in a given software...These folks have the right to complain. Others are just blowing smoke and have no right to. They are obstructionist.

For instance - I as a vBulletin license holder should feel free to voice my distaste as regards the current state of vBulletin. I've invested in a product. Same thing with XF - I've invested.

Have no vested interest: No right to voice dissension?

J.

[katie hunter]

So ya, back to VB discussion : )

Has it ever been discussed before about implementing features like twitter ? Like the Feeds feature ? Have VB dev team thought about it or discussed it before ?

[socialteenz]

Originally Posted by Barcham

Not quite. They don't support people trashing XF on their board but you are free to trash any other software that you want. The way their forum is run was one of the reasons I decided to go with VB. It reminded me too much of a situation I had just left where there was one board always trashing us while our board prohibited all mention of them on ours.

It's always easier to trash another person or board or program when you can control the responses. It's quite obvious what they do over there and it is very sad.

The same applies to vB as well, if you have time check out the old threads at Licensed Customer Feedback section, now the section is almost dead. Many threads were locked down and a few members were banned for bashing. So it happens at all the forums. Some threads were locked down for no reasons too.

NO BIG DEAL FOR ME.

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by socialteenz

The same applies to vB as well, if you have time check out the old threads at Licensed Customer Feedback section, now the section is almost dead. Many threads were locked down and few members were banned for bashing. So it happens in all the forums. Some threads were locked down for no reasons too.

NO BIG DEAL FOR ME.

Right for bashing, you said it, and probably for ignoring staff warnings. But you will never see on vb.com a staff going out of his or her way to bully a member and later restrict his or her account by altering the account permission making this user not able to create a reply or a topic without moderation, not able to pm his/her friends and not able to post comments on their friend's profile.

I think we are over the XF drama, it is done, gone. Lets focus on Vbulletin. This site is called Vbulletin.org not Xenforo.

Feel free to open a topic on their forum and enjoy any sort of bashing, there will definitely be so many supporters there.

[socialteenz]

Right for bashing, you said it, and probably for ignoring staff warnings.

Not all the time. Some times even vb staffs are rude at vb.com.

But you will never see on vb.com a staff going out of his or her way to bully a member and later restrict his or her account by altering the account permission making this user not able to create a reply or a topic without moderation, not able to pm his/her friends and not able to post comments on their friend's profile.

May be that's because your put in to some sort of moderation, i don't represent Xenforo. So can't really comment about them.

So back on topic.

I really like vB, especially the 3.x series even the 4.x gets the job done. But i don't like the directions taken by the IB.

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by socialteenz

Not all the time. Some times even vb staffs are rude at vb.com.



May be that's because your put in to some sort of moderation, i don't represent Xenforo. So can't really comment about them.

So back on topic.

I really like vB, especially the 3.x series even the 4.x gets the job done. But i don't like the directions taken by the IB.

I like VB 4.x and have great addons on it not to mention its default features.

http://forum.nihonomaru.com/member/r...1/?styleid=149
http://forum.nihonomaru.com/member/r...1/?styleid=164

Why would i ever leave this that thousand of my members enjoy ^ and migrate to XF that lacks in default features and much more, I think those who are disappointed with VB 5.x did that but they forgot that VB 4.x is there until VB 5.x shapes up better later and it will i think. People assume the future and that is where mistakes are being made.

But as for VB 5.x i am really looking at the seeing the next generation forum with social features and new features that looks appealing. I want to see innovation and new ideas being introduced beyond the forum features we are familiar with.

[XiTCLUB]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

If we are going to try and make sure that design and creativity shape a better world, then we need to talk about it : )

http://vimeo.com/70851927

Design is back bone of innovation, if we cannot present our innovation in a better way no one is going to even take a look at it..
and in design department there 2 major options Flat vs Realism http://www.flatvsrealism.com/
and Instant Notification area more social integration will be good for VB. like the point you make "Twitter Like Feed" i am agree with you and so on other social features should comes in default product

like:
>>Built in Chat System
>>Built in Advanced Post Sharing (Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Pintetest)
>>Thread Featured Image Like WordPress (Extremely necessary for Facebook post sharing, currently we don't get Thread image for links we share on facebook).
>>Built in SEO (We dont want to use 3rd parties as they cannot be trusted as my investment gone on vBSEO)
>>What about user Timeline ?? (If Vb could make user Profile Pages like Facebook Timeline)

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by XiTCLUB

Design is back bone of innovation, if we cannot present our innovation in a better way no one is going to even take a look at it..
and in design department there 2 major options Flat vs Realism http://www.flatvsrealism.com/
and Instant Notification area more social integration will be good for VB. like the point you make "Twitter Like Feed" i am agree with you and so on other social features should comes in default product

like:
>>Built in Chat System
>>Built in Advanced Post Sharing (Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Pintetest)
>>Thread Featured Image Like WordPress (Extremely necessary for Facebook post sharing, currently we don't get Thread image for links we share on facebook).
>>Built in SEO (We dont want to use 3rd parties as they cannot be trusted as my investment gone on vBSEO)
>>What about user Timeline ?? (If Vb could make user Profile Pages like Facebook Timeline)

Timeline : )

http://i.imgur.com/BKbu7Vo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1ec2m3U.jpg

i think if we ever wanted new features and innovation, i think a new team of web developer and web designer would need to join the current vb team and assist in this new vision.

http://i.imgur.com/Y35g860.jpg

[socialteenz]

Originally Posted by XiTCLUB

Design is back bone of innovation, if we cannot present our innovation in a better way no one is going to even take a look at it..
and in design department there 2 major options Flat vs Realism http://www.flatvsrealism.com/
and Instant Notification area more social integration will be good for VB. like the point you make "Twitter Like Feed" i am agree with you and so on other social features should comes in default product

like:
>>Built in Chat System
>>Built in Advanced Post Sharing (Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Pintetest)
>>Thread Featured Image Like WordPress (Extremely necessary for Facebook post sharing, currently we don't get Thread image for links we share on facebook).
>>Built in SEO (We dont want to use 3rd parties as they cannot be trusted as my investment gone on vBSEO)
>>What about user Timeline ?? (If Vb could make user Profile Pages like Facebook Timeline)

I think you ppl are just wasting your time suggesting things which will never be implemented unless they make some $$$ out of it.

All the list reminds me of the fake promises by vB.

What's To Come For vBulletin - Part II

I'll quote the list here..

In this post I would like to highlight how we are proceeding with the 4.X series and what we are expecting to introduce as part of the series. Please, note that these are not ordered in terms of priorities, but provided as a target list. And of course, as denoted in my previous post, 4.1 will include the top 4 items in this list.

Without further ado:

• Member Profile Customization
• Overhauled StyleVars
• Improved and integrated upgrade Process
• URL Mapping (CMS in root etc.)
• Improved CMS editor
• Google Auth + Twitter
• Mobile Skin (m.vbulletin.com)
• Updated style
• UTF-8 Further Development
• Revised Search
• Activity Stream
• Custom Content Type Builder
• Photo Gallery with Photo Tagging
• Sharing Tools
• Mobile API
• Custom Content Type Builder
• Updated CMS Permissions
• Improved use of Memcached and File Cache
• Member Newsletter Feature (Text + HTML)
• Header Menu Manager Customization (completed spec)
• Unified Moderation and Notifications System
• Unifying widgets and blocks
• Enable Community Moderation (vote up/down content)
• Additional Login Options (Google, Twitter, OpenID, Email Registration, etc)
• Subscription Option: Google Checkout
• Improved Asset Manager
• Updated email management/ and templates to prevent blacklisting
• PostgreSQL support (this will assist and be a part of refactoring our database structure)
• CMS Workflow (change author, draft, approved, unpub date)
• Inline Style/Theme Customization (Inline UI to edit StyleVars)
• Invite Friends Features
• Find Friend Features (via Address Book: Yahoo Mail, Gmail, AOL, etc)
• User can self-delete their profile/account
• Ad Management for Blogs and CMS (and more advanced Forum integration)
• Groups UI/UX
• Calendar UI/UX (also integrate with iCal)
• Expose Developer Documentation (dev.vbulletin.com)
• Official 3rd Party Developer API
• Review content type
• CMS Widget: Tag Cloud

It's been 3.5 years, you can figure out the stuffs which have been implemented so far.

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by socialteenz

I think you ppl are just wasting your time suggesting things which will never be implemented unless they make some $$$ out of it.

All the list reminds me of the fake promises by vB.

What's To Come For vBulletin - Part II

I'll quote the list here..

It's 3.5 years from the post, you can figure out the stuffs which have been implemented so far.

Just stop.. we like to waste time, what is your deal? We skipped the XF drama, now this. If you know any better, improvements starts with a change.

And that huge list you quoted many of it was already added into 4.x

Here is the deal, you don't have to downgrade threads like these to praise XF, so stop. XF has the least of these entire features and for them to justify why XF lacks many of VB features, they had to come up with this absurd comment, by Kier

vBulletin was born of an age when having more options and more data displayed was a desirable thing. People wanted to be able to control minute details of the way they interacted with a forum - or so we thought.

XenForo is a product that debuts with decades of experience already under its developers' belts, and perhaps a degree more maturity in outlook. Our focus with XenForo is on providing a superior user experience rather than piling on new features. We are more of the opinion now that if we believe there is a right or optimal way to do something, we will just do that, rather than providing options to allow people to do it another way.

Complete nonsense, that is not a vision. They aren't doing anything outside the box to claim that they are built on being unique and innovative, complete utter nonsense. Superior user experience vs lack of features (Did Kier even thought about his marketing comment before stating it) //