Time To Speak Up?

[MJM]

Oh my lordy, a freekin INFRACTION system is on it's way.
The downside of fussin cussin and hollerin is that coders have to direct more precious time developing user control mechanisms

[EasyTarget]

wayne as an admin or spokesperson and the very person that asked people to treat others as they want to be treated/bring what they want to the table, wouldn't it be better to lead by your example rather than asking others to be the example for you?

your asking people to treat you how you want to be treated before you treat them how they want to be treated, and they're telling themselves the same thing. But since you're the one in authority and are preaching that it is a good practice to follow the golden rule, then practice what you preach

There seems to be too many egos around.. what's the big deal with a "I'm sorry" or an "opps, my bad". People keep defending their decisions as if being wrong will have some detrimental effect. If anything I'm guessing a mod being wrong (rather admitting they're wrong) will actually have a positive impact. I've read one thread where a coder's hack thread was pulled, he came back to fix the problem but the thread was gone and then the mod wouldn't put it back unless he was specifically asked to do so by the coder.. even though the coder never asked for it to be pulled.

another where a rule was implemented 'after the fact' and the coders, whos' hacks were now in violation of the rule which didn't exist when they created their hacks, were treated as if they were intentionally trying to bring down vb, misuse trust, or even cause potential security problems.

and several where mods just won't be the bigger person and feel they always have to have the last word before the other person stops posting or just close the thread when its apparent they won't have the last word unless they do so.

As has been mentioned before.. the coders are the lifeblood of this site, Listen to them, cater to them, praise them. If you want change then change yourself, don't expect that adding more people to the staff will change anything. If the problem lies at the top then changing the middle will have little effect.

[peterska2]

the coders are an important part of the site but there are still rules that need.....

... to be followed by every member of the community. policies are adhered to by ...

... staff to ensure that the rules are enforced and are updated on a regular basis.

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

wayne as an admin or spokesperson and the very person that asked people to treat others as they want to be treated/bring what they want to the table, wouldn't it be better to lead by your example rather than asking others to be the example for you?

your asking people to treat you how you want to be treated before you treat them how they want to be treated, and they're telling themselves the same thing. But since you're the one in authority and are preaching that it is a good practice to follow the golden rule, then practice what you preach

There seems to be too many egos around.. what's the big deal with a "I'm sorry" or an "opps, my bad". People keep defending their decisions as if being wrong will have some detrimental effect. If anything I'm guessing a mod being wrong (rather admitting they're wrong) will actually have a positive impact. I've read one thread where a coder's hack thread was pulled, he came back to fix the problem but the thread was gone and then the mod wouldn't put it back unless he was specifically asked to do so by the coder.. even though the coder never asked for it to be pulled.

another where a rule was implemented 'after the fact' and the coders, whos' hacks were now in violation of the rule which didn't exist when they created their hacks, were treated as if they were intentionally trying to bring down vb, misuse trust, or even cause potential security problems.

and several where mods just won't be the bigger person and feel they always have to have the last word before the other person stops posting or just close the thread when its apparent they won't have the last word unless they do so.

As has been mentioned before.. the coders are the lifeblood of this site, Listen to them, cater to them, praise them. If you want change then change yourself, don't expect that adding more people to the staff will change anything. If the problem lies at the top then changing the middle will have little effect.

I'm just quoting this because you seemed to have posted 3 replies (3 minutes apart on each reply ) to bury the last reply kerry. Although I only partially agree with some of the people involved here (and I can certainly understand their fustration) they do have the right to voice their opinion and concerns.

[Freesteyelz]

Here's a curious thought...

To use vB.org is a privilege. Where does the right come in?

[peterska2]

shelley_c, the replys are not to bury anything. i'm using wap so cant do long posts.

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by peterska2

shelley_c, the replys are not to bury anything. i'm using wap so cant do long posts.

In that case. I apoligise kerry.

[EasyTarget]

Originally Posted by peterska2

useless info photocopied from other threads

maybe you should leave responses to the admins or customer service staff members.

and shelly, you have cool emoticons... was looking through them the other day.. nice job. they should add install buttons to those as well.

[peterska2]

easytarget, i am still a member of staff and so can reply like any other staff member

[EasyTarget]

I'm just hoping that the separation of the staff into distinct groups was for a reason, but yes, you've shown that you no doubt can reply.