I think I've had enough

[Logikos]

Thanks Martin! Glad to see Jelsoft does appreciate us lonely coders.

[Razasharp]

I've read just the first few pages of this thread and must post in support of the coders here at vb.org - without them this site wouldn't really exist.

I personally feel Jelsoft should give something back to the coders because they actually enhance the product they sell, that essentially makes them money.

Of course being a 'coder' doesn't give them a right to talk down to, or dissrespect other users (but I don't think I've ever seen that happen) but it should mean they are respected here (even by mods), after all without them the rest of us wouldn't come here (no hacks = no vb.org).

I respect a lot of the coders here, Amy, Paul, Livewire to name a few and especially all those who release hacks for free - these coders are vB.orgs biggest assets.

Paid hack developers are not so important to vb.org - perhaps to vb.com as 'compatible' products but not to vb.org which has always been about hacking and sharing (not selling).

If a directory was added for paid hacks - I think they should expect to pay an annual listing fee with perhaps options to take out banner advertisements too, and any income should either be redistributed to the 'free' hackers or used to employ a hacker to release free hacks.

Jmo.

[Freesteyelz]

Whoa. Martin is from Honolulu. Local boyz represent!

OK...Back on topic. :classic:

[Martin]

Originally Posted by Freesteyelz

Whoa. Martin is from Honolulu. Local boyz represent!

OK...Back on topic. :classic:

yo bruh, where you stay?

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Martin

I just wanted to thank all the coders here for all the hard work they put in. Sorry for being so long-winded about it.

Thank you Martin, this was very good to hear

In return, I want to thank you and vb.com for making a product that is fun to hack

[Freesteyelz]

Originally Posted by Martin

yo bruh, where you stay?

Hawaii Kai side. :classic:

[joeychgo]

Originally Posted by Martin

I just wanted to pipe in here and say that I agree that the coders at vB.org make vBulletin a more appealing product. I handle a lot of the presales calls and tickets, and most times when a person asks about functionality that doesn't exist in vBulletin I've seen it as a mod over here and refer them to that.
There are literally hundreds of hacks over here I would love to see in the base product, but as you guys know, developing a base product is a balancing act between putting in functionality that people want and keeping the program light enough to operate on most shared hosting solutions without overloading the server.
By offering the hacks you guys do you allow us to achieve that end while still being able to point to vB.org and telling people that X function is available there.

I just wanted to thank all the coders here for all the hard work they put in. Sorry for being so long-winded about it.

AMEN!

I just have one question. Why is putting together a paid hack directory so complicated?

I built one - it wasnt very complicated: vBulletin FAQ Product and Services Reviews Directory

It's free. Anyone can add their hacks, or leave reviews of hacks. Clearly with all the great coders here, something similar could be developed here in short order.



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[noppid]

Originally Posted by joeychgo

AMEN!

I just have one question. Why is putting together a paid hack directory so complicated?

I built one - it wasnt very complicated: vBulletin FAQ Product and Services Reviews Directory

It's free. Anyone can add their hacks, or leave reviews of hacks. Clearly with all the great coders here, something similar could be developed here in short order.



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Fine, you'll want access to the private coders secret forum now I bet?

[joeychgo]

Originally Posted by noppid

Fine, now you'll want access to the private coders secret forum now I bet?

Nope... Im no coder.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by LiveWire

I think I've reached the point to no return. I've been trying really hard to not come to this dissuasion, but with the way things are around here; I feel like I have no other choice but to stop releasing my work here, and supporting the hacks I have here now. Nothing around here is the same anymore. vBulletin.org used to look at the coders as the gas that runs this site, when FireFly was around. But times have changed. Now, coders are just people who release some random scripts here. The community here gives nothing back to the people who spend hours beyond hours coding something that will never make them a dime.

Yea, we got ourselves our own forums. WOOT! well this only took 5 years to happen, and now anyone who releases a hello world script can access it. What happen to this hacks database system? When are we going to see this happen? Has this even been half way coded? Will it be months beyond months until we can use this? I can totally understand that a hack like this will not just code itself, and people have real life things to deal with. So why not hand it off to a team? There are hundreds of users here that would gladly dedicate some time to help code. Instead, you leave this in the hands of one person. Who hasn't been active in god knows how long.

I'm also really really sick and tired of customers coming to this site and demanding, bashing, and degrading what this site once was. Not only do the non-coder customers do it, but lately I've seen this in allot of the staff here.

For the most part, allot of the staff here do a fine job I'm sure. When it comes to moderating the post and what not. Though the unfriendliness and lack of professional attitude amongst the staff here disgust me the most, and that's the main reason for my dissuasion to leave. Just because you have a staff title, does not make you any better then anyone else. Staff seem to forget that we are coming here as a customer and releasing our work here FREE OF CHARGE. You need to think about that every time you reply to a customer. Stop treating people that post here like a baby, or some idiotic person.

Lately Paul M has been getting alot of heat from the staff, so it seems. Why is this? Maybe because when he post he is blunt and tells it like it is.Though when you post like that, that is considered a bad thing to some of the staff here. Well you know what? Get over it and move on and keep your mouth shut or just +++++ about us in your private forums or something. I don't spend hundreds of dollars a year to come here and see others treated with disrespect. Not only others, but myself has been treated with a great deal of disrespect in the past. Directly from 3 of the staff members here now. 1 which is no longer staff anymore. (Dean).

vBulletin.org is losing allot of talented coders and something really needs to be done. Jelsoft really needs to look at this site, and control whats going on around here. Yea, Jelsoft owns this site, but they certainly don't control whats going on around here. So I'm going to continue doing what one of the staff members here said. I'm going to continue waisting my money on my own forums and open a site for commercial hacks. Yes, I'm going commercial since allot of people look down on that. But TheGeek said it best in his own post awhile back, and on the vBCast show as well. Everyone hates when people go commercial, and show know sign of support. Yet they support a commercial product such as vBulletin itself.

I'll continue to check in the coders forum from time to time. To help fellow coders out, but you will not see any more work produce and released my me on vBulletin.org. I also don't want my previous work to be trashed or deleted as allot of new members can still benefit from them. So long and farewell. Need to get ahold of me, well you can PM me or read my profile.

I'm sure this thread will eventually get closed, in hopes for it to get buried like the rest.

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Best Regards,
Ken Iovino Jr

Historical reference.