Lets combine funds for a Reviews CMS with business/product directory

[Alfa1]

This project has started as a request for a CMS content type. Later on it turned out that the vbCMS is not a feasible platform for this and it doesn't look vbCMS will get a rewrite ever. So the project changed to an integrated CMS.

22 people each pledged a substantial amount to hire a coder. No coder has been selected yet, as Adrian and you came in announcing that you would release a reviews addon. I thought it fair to give you both a chance to release something and see where that leads.

The list of features is not an arbitrary list, but is the compilation of what these 22 people want.

Nonetheless, you are free to release any feature set that you think is right, and I am sure that there will be people who are interested.

Regarding GARS: you are correct about the insanity of some features, but the reality is that some of us have many thousands of GARS entries. 11.000 in my case. As you can imagine its not an option to loose that data.

You are right that its a big project. Not every coder is able or willing to do a big project. I've seen that many times before. But there are coders who do deliver such projects. Its time for that now.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by Alfa1

Regarding GARS: you are correct about the insanity of some features, but the reality is that some of us have many thousands of GARS entries. 11.000 in my case. As you can imagine its not an option to loose that data.
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I didn't said that importer can't be done. Actually is an easy job BUT ONLY for those who where using one rating scale. eg When I was using GARS, even, as you know, there was the option to set the max rating scale, I was always using 5. So, in this case is easy. But if you've mixed rating scales, most probably an importer will mess it.

Chris

[BirdOPrey5]

I have no stake in this project from either side but if the arbitrary rating in GARS is an issue it seems like it would be easy math for an importer to convert any scale to a 5 point scale during an import.

So 3 of 10 becomes 1.5 of 5 which rounds to 2 of 5... It's not perfect but a lot better than nothing.

[Christos Teriakis]

To avoid wasting your time, I want to inform you that I'm out of this project. As BirdOPrey5 wrote, this thread became just like an auction.

I think that the best way to have real results trying to combine funds, is to make a post in Paid Request, and when you'll have a quote for it, then try again by changing the title to something like "Lets combine $xxx dollars for a Reviews CMS".

Regards
Chris

[lazytown]

I think coders are permanently damaging their reputation with thousands of clients by promising a product, having people wait a very long time, and then never delivering. It would be far far better to release a version with only the most important features and the other hundred features could be potentially for future releases if sales warrant it. I certainly don't expect even 15% of those features to be implemented in a first retail release. my 2 cents.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by vissa

.....with thousands of clients

I think that you're dreaming. There are no thousands of clients anymore, not for vB, not for all forum scripts, but for all php scripts platform and scope independent. There were thousands till 2008-middle 2009.[/quote]

Originally Posted by vissa

by promising a product, having people wait a very long time, and then never delivering.

Because I'm one of them, what I've to say is that, as long I didn't got a single cent from anybody I'm not obligue to do anything. As you're trying to find out how many coders will be interest to get over this project, on the same way I'm trying to find how many potential clients there are. And unlike what you're saying I bet that there are no more than 50. Go throught the full thread which is already 11 months old. How many shown interest for it?
Another point that you must give attention (if you're fair in critic,,, i believe it...), is that there are already 2 mods in the market, plus one free. I believe that they're enought for a specific market. That's why I stopped working on it when Forumsmods released its own addon, even if I had wasted more than a month working on it.

Chris

[Alfa1]

Thousands of clients sounds like an overstatement. Though popular addons like photopost, vaulwiki, vbseo do have a high volume of sales. The demand for a reviews CMS is widely documented. Its one of the top voted requests for vbulletin. The response in this thread gives a good indication.
If you would have finished your product. Even if forumsmods would have come through, then you would have had sales.

There has been interest from coders. But its a big project and its my experience that big projects tend to fall through if 1 coder does the entire project.

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by Alfa1

Thousands of clients sounds like an overstatement. Though popular addons like photopost, vaulwiki, vbseo do have a high volume of sales. The demand for a reviews CMS is widely documented. Its one of the top voted requests for vbulletin. The response in this thread gives a good indication.
If you would have finished your product. Even if forumsmods would have come through, then you would have had sales.

There has been interest from coders. But its a big project and its my experience that big projects tend to fall through if 1 coder does the entire project.

The only that I can do from my side is to give for free full copyright rights of my current code to anybody who is interest to continue developing it. I believe that I've clear and well commented code, and ofcourse I'll be beside him for any advice that maybe he/she will needs. Maybe this will be a good way to prove that I had never in mind to tease all those who were waiting this mod.

From the other side I'm doing this work for living, and this period is the worst for my country and me as citizen of this country. In addition I need to take care for my daughter too, who, after 12 years in Airlines fired from her job.

So, if anybody is interest, just contact me. And when I'm saying full rights, I mean full rights. Not even any refference to my name inside the files, not even a thank you. Actually I'll feel better knowing that someone is using it, than having it in my disk.

Chris

[lazytown]

I wasn't talking about thousands of clients for you specifically and for this specific review add-on. I'm talking about the thousands of people who may come across threads like this and see how things are handled, promises broken, etc.. When someone says they are developing something, people rely on that and put other things on hold (and wait a long time), then, after making people wait, they get absolutely nothing (or close to nothing). I wasn't even referring specifically to any one developer. It's not about money, it's about reputation (which can affect future earning ability). If you say you'll do something, in my book, you do it. If you find out you can't do it, you tell people as SOON as you know and don't leave them hanging. That's just my beliefs, not an attack on anyone specifically.

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Originally Posted by ChrisTERiS

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That's why I stopped working on it when Forumsmods released its own addon, even if I had wasted more than a month working on it.

Chris

...Then you should have posted in this thread and told us months ago that you decided to stop working on it. Making people wait and wonder is not a good thing. That's all I'm saying. I think you're a very talented coder, I'm just expressing some frustration about the wait that I'm sure many other members have. Thank you.

[Webrunner]

Originally Posted by ChrisTERiS

The only that I can do from my side is to give for free full copyright rights of my current code to anybody who is interest to continue developing it. I believe that I've clear and well commented code, and ofcourse I'll be beside him for any advice that maybe he/she will needs. Maybe this will be a good way to prove that I had never in mind to tease all those who were waiting this mod.

From the other side I'm doing this work for living, and this period is the worst for my country and me as citizen of this country. In addition I need to take care for my daughter too, who, after 12 years in Airlines fired from her job.

So, if anybody is interest, just contact me. And when I'm saying full rights, I mean full rights. Not even any refference to my name inside the files, not even a thank you. Actually I'll feel better knowing that someone is using it, than having it in my disk.

Chris

Chris, why not finish the basics of the mod and release it to get some cash?
I am willing to pay for it if it is working OK. I don't need half of what is in the feature list in the first post, at least not right away. I think it is always a good thing to let mods develop over time. That gives bett quality...

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Another question for Chris: how far are you from a proper release?