vB license agreement

[shovel]

Originally Posted by Erwin

Just to address the issue of hacks and computer code:

If a person writes a piece of program, or code, or poetry, or story, or lyrics to a song, or music - the work created has copyright which belongs to the creator or author AUTOMATICALLY. This is a common law right.

Registration of this copyright gives protection under LEGISLATION (which offers greater protection) - however, even without registration copyright exists under common law.

Please read up on intellectual property laws before making untrue statements like that. If you distribute the copyright works of another person without the author's express or implied permission, you are then breaching copyright and can be sued for damages.

We're talking about the internet here Erwin. This is a very large gray area for the courts. Second of all, in what ways are they a copyright to the members? By screenname? Really, because it so happens that there are plenty of duplicates here. Anyone can say that they are hellsatan or Dalius and say that it is indeed their "property". How would that be argued in court? To say that the work is a copyright of the writer, the writer would have to produce their real identity (i.e. whole name, etc.). I'm not claiming any untrue indictations, only valid statements.

[lasto]

Originally Posted by hellsatan

I cannot see why you can compare a car to an online licence - If the car came with the stipulation that if it were abused, it would be taken back, then I can see the connection...

However - vBulletin is considerably cheaper than any decent vehicle, and at the end of the day, whether you use your vB as a child porn and/or warez forum, and are caught, you are liable to prosecution, as you are if you are caught using your car as a pimp-mobile or to getaway from a bank robbery etc...

Satan

so why compare warezs with child pronography

both may be illegal but aint loads of things - and adding something as sick as child pron is seen as associating all people who download warezs with the same brush as pedo`s.

End of day do we really care about the agreement cause i will be honest and will admit i aint never read it and i dont ever read any.I dont see warezs talked about on any boards but even if i did i would`nt report it as its my choice to be or not be a member of that board.freedom of speech is still available and people can go elsewhere to do it simple as.

Another thing where in the vbull license is the clause where it says One will become a Vbull Police officer as considering the amount of people grassing up other people in this section you would think there was.

Now u proberly thinking ive got an attitude but i aint - its very rare i use me comp these days but to come on here to grab the occasional hack or even get help is very good and worth the fee alone in my opinion but we all know warezs exist but when i see posts tarring warezs and pedos together then i gotta reply as its total bull++++.
Vb.org is a place to discuss hacks and as such should be left that way.The discussion of warezs and peoples opinion to them is an never ending debate and no thread or post will deter people from the path of downloading somehthing illegal so basically the subject should be dropped.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by lasto

so why compare warezs with child pronography

both may be illegal but aint loads of things - and adding something as sick as child pron is seen as associating all people who download warezs with the same brush as pedo`s.

End of day do we really care about the agreement cause i will be honest and will admit i aint never read it and i dont ever read any.I dont see warezs talked about on any boards but even if i did i would`nt report it as its my choice to be or not be a member of that board.freedom of speech is still available and people can go elsewhere to do it simple as.

Another thing where in the vbull license is the clause where it says One will become a Vbull Police officer as considering the amount of people grassing up other people in this section you would think there was.

Now u proberly thinking ive got an attitude but i aint - its very rare i use me comp these days but to come on here to grab the occasional hack or even get help is very good and worth the fee alone in my opinion but we all know warezs exist but when i see posts tarring warezs and pedos together then i gotta reply as its total bull++++.
Vb.org is a place to discuss hacks and as such should be left that way.The discussion of warezs and peoples opinion to them is an never ending debate and no thread or post will deter people from the path of downloading somehthing illegal so basically the subject should be dropped.

I don't know what posts you have been reading, but I never compared warez to child pornography

I don't recall connecting the two either - I simply mentioned them both...

So just because stealing is illegal, we should ignore it because there are lots of other things which are illegal? Before you say it, that is the logic you are suggesting...

I care about the agreement - So should you - You are meant to have read it before you sign up:ermm:

I recall no such clause - Try stating fact, not fiction

I say again - I never linked the two, other than mentioning them both in the same post - I put forward two theoretical statements:

Killing Dogs is bad
Having sex with girls under the age of 16 is illegal

By your own logic, I am saying that people who kill dogs have sex with girls under 16? No? Well I never said warez and child pornography were connected...

I take a quote from my post:

Originally Posted by hellsatan

If you are using vBulletin to distribute warez software, or child pornography, then you don't deserve to have a vBulletin Licence

Notice the or in that sentence?

We should be aware of warez, as ignorance only makes you indirectly support it...

At the end of the day, the vBulletin Licence Agreement is just that - An Agreement - If you don't like it, don't agree to it, and sell your licences to someone who is happy to accept it, and who knows they are never going to do something illegal, which as far as I can see, would be the only reason a vBulletin Licence would be revoked for...

Satan

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by shovel

We're talking about the internet here Erwin. This is a very large gray area for the courts. Second of all, in what ways are they a copyright to the members? By screenname? Really, because it so happens that there are plenty of duplicates here. Anyone can say that they are hellsatan or Dalius and say that it is indeed their "property". How would that be argued in court? To say that the work is a copyright of the writer, the writer would have to produce their real identity (i.e. whole name, etc.). I'm not claiming any untrue indictations, only valid statements.

My real name is known to alot of hackers and staff here, and I am not worried about someone trying to claim my work is their's - I have documentation, email accounts, forum accounts, licences and paperwork as well as the original code in my posession, so unless I tried to rip myself off, I doubt anyone else could prove they were me...

You are snatching at straws - I know I am hellsatan, and anyone with any sense would know I am hellsatan...

If I want to remove my hacks from vBulletin.org, then I shall

Satan

[Erwin]

Originally Posted by shovel

We're talking about the internet here Erwin. This is a very large gray area for the courts. Second of all, in what ways are they a copyright to the members? By screenname? Really, because it so happens that there are plenty of duplicates here. Anyone can say that they are hellsatan or Dalius and say that it is indeed their "property". How would that be argued in court? To say that the work is a copyright of the writer, the writer would have to produce their real identity (i.e. whole name, etc.). I'm not claiming any untrue indictations, only valid statements.

Valid statements? Talk to any IP or internet lawyer, and they will explain to you why you are wrong and show you the case law and legislation. I do not have the time nor the wish to that.

[shovel]

Same. So I guess we'll leave it there. Don't feel like arguing any more. Girlfriend is over.

[Erwin]

Given the choice between talking about copyright and spending time with your girlfriend... I know what I'd choose!

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Erwin

Given the choice between talking about copyright and spending time with your girlfriend... I know what I'd choose!

Talking about copyrighting your girlfriend

Satan