vbgeek's mods in vb.org?

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by unenergizer

I agree with Lizard King! I don't want his scripts to be abused and misused on this board. Everyone wants to take advantage of his family crisis so they can benefit from his work. I think this is wrong. I want these scripts to stay original. Not because I purchased them, but rather because I value the authors work and time.

I hate it how everyone wants them released here because of what he is going through. Everyone just wants to take advantage of this like it's some kind of opportunity for them. I only want the scripts I paid for. I don't expect anything more from the geek. All of you should be ashamed that you are pressing for this.

I only wish him, his family, and his company the best of luck. Personally, I don't mind if these scripts aren't ever released again. Though hopefully the geek comes up with a solution, even if it takes a year or more.

Stop counting on his problems to benefit you. That is selfish and disrespectful. :down:

Agreed. Hopefully he just mothballs them for awhile to give himself time to deal with things and then look at it in a whole new light.

[Brad]

I agree with Lizard King! I don't want his scripts to be abused and misused on this board. Everyone wants to take advantage of his family crisis so they can benefit from his work. I think this is wrong. I want these scripts to stay original. Not because I purchased them, but rather because I value the authors work and time.

If you're trying to imply that I'm trying to do that you're wrong. Heck I've probably got half of his software laying around on my HDD somewhere, multiple people have asked me to tweak it for them in the past (or integrate it with their site, GARs begin the main one) and most of the time the first thing I do is dump their php files and database on one of my local work stations.

I want to build on top of what he's already done. I want to improve his work and put my own spin on it and I want to be able to release it to you all so you can use it, extend it, hack it, learn from it, whatever.

Honestly I'm getting sick of these arguments over nothing. I'm starting to think a few of you are really nuts, crazy, not right in the head. But then again you probably think the same thing about me.

I shouldn't even be replying to this but I will not let this one go. You think I'm some low-life? Let me tell you something. Where I come from family is still the most important thing in this world.

You think I'm trying to pressure him into releasing his work here? News flash; I'm just letting him know I'd appreciate it if he did and I'd probably keep an eye on his work and make sure it gets ported in the future. I'm trying to help you and help him! But no, you have to shoot your mouth off because everyone wants to jump on the "vB.org ruins good hacks" bandwagon this week.

You've struck a nerve with me (and anyone that thinks the same way as you is included). But don't worry about it, I don't really care, it's just the internet and this is just a message board.

Eh I suppose this is the reaction you wanted. You want me to go make an ass out of myself so my opinion looks like the "bad one". I'm mostly a lone in my opinion but you'll notice I tend to stick to it. I don't hop on bandwagons...

O and BTW I already have most of his software and I'm not a customer. You see I have customers as well, customers that use his software and love it. I work with his software just about everyday! Right now I'm doing heavy modification to GARs for a client and I would like to release it to the community. Right now I can't but if The Geek decided to release his work here under a friendly license I could.

That's up to him and I'm not pestering him over it. I'm not sending him PMs, IMs, e-mails, nor am I holding a gun to his head and forcing him to read this thread.

Think before you post. Some of us still aren't afraid to express our opinion even if it isn't the popular one.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to bed. Us working people have to be up at 7am.

[MRGTB]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Err, what is this 'paid script service' we introduced (six months ago ?) that you seem so obsessed about

I was talking about this announcement here (From December 2006):
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=102471

After that was announced, a lot of coders said they would no longer offer free support anymore because the site was adding a commercial side to it. But those comments were mostly said in another thread that was posted before that announcement, which you used as a test bed for feedback on the idea first.

Originally Posted by Brad

If you're trying to imply that I'm trying to do that you're wrong. Heck I've probably got half of his software laying around on my HDD somewhere, multiple people have asked me to tweak it for them in the past (or integrate it with their site, GARs begin the main one) and most of the time the first thing I do is dump their php files and database on one of my local work stations.

I want to build on top of what he's already done. I want to improve his work and put my own spin on it and I want to be able to release it to you all so you can use it, extend it, hack it, learn from it, whatever.

Honestly I'm getting sick of these arguments over nothing. I'm starting to think a few of you are really nuts, crazy, not right in the head. But then again you probably think the same thing about me.

I shouldn't even be replying to this but I will not let this one go. You think I'm some low-life? Let me tell you something. Where I come from family is still the most important thing in this world.

You think I'm trying to pressure him into releasing his work here? News flash; I'm just letting him know I'd appreciate it if he did and I'd probably keep an eye on his work and make sure it gets ported in the future. I'm trying to help you and help him! But no, you have to shoot your mouth off because everyone wants to jump on the "vB.org ruins good hacks" bandwagon this week.

You've struck a nerve with me (and anyone that thinks the same way as you is included). But don't worry about it, I don't really care, it's just the internet and this is just a message board.

Eh I suppose this is the reaction you wanted. You want me to go make an ass out of myself so my opinion looks like the "bad one". I'm mostly a lone in my opinion but you'll notice I tend to stick to it. I don't hop on bandwagons...

O and BTW I already have most of his software and I'm not a customer. You see I have customers as well, customers that use his software and love it. I work with his software just about everyday! Right now I'm doing heavy modification to GARs for a client and I would like to release it to the community. Right now I can't but if The Geek decided to release his work here under a friendly license I could.

That's up to him and I'm not pestering him over it. I'm not sending him PMs, IMs, e-mails, nor am I holding a gun to his head and forcing him to read this thread.

Think before you post. Some of us still aren't afraid to express our opinion even if it isn't the popular one.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to bed. Us working people have to be up at 7am.

I wouldn't take it as a personal insult aimed at yourself Brad, that he means your going to rip SAMS code off to sell it under another name. I think Lizard King in talking about other people here in general taking advantage if its released for Free. And lets face it, if it happened were a person ripped it of to sell. vB.org will take their usual stance of not wanting to get involved in the matter like they always do. Thats why this is the wrong place to release them.

But at the end of the day, it's SAMS choice, he's not stupid and he most know this could happen, no matter what site he decides to release them on for free. Especially seeing as GARS is a popular hack for sale.

I feel the same way as others, I think he should hang on for a while until his personal life gets more sorted. Then make a more sensible decision, instead of a rash one. Maybe even consider approaching another coder to take over from him to sell the hacks and support them, just paying himself a small percentage of the sale. So he still gets something for his work over the years.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by MRGTB

I was talking about this announcement here (From December 2006):
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=102471

After that was announced, a lot of coders said they would no longer offer free support anymore because the site was adding a commercial side to it. But those comments were mostly said in another thread that was posted before that announcement, which you used as a test bed for feedback on the idea first.

That is nothing more than an old discussion thread (from December 2005 btw, not 2006) - and there is currently no commercial directory (or section) on vbulletin.org.

Even if we eventually have a commercial directory, it will have nothing to do with people providing support for freely released modifications. A commercial directory is simply a list of places that commercial scripts (e.g. Gars, vblogetin) can be obtained.

[unenergizer]

Originally Posted by Brad

If you're trying to imply that I'm trying to do that you're wrong. Heck I've probably got half of his software laying around on my HDD somewhere, multiple people have asked me to tweak it for them in the past (or integrate it with their site, GARs begin the main one) and most of the time the first thing I do is dump their php files and database on one of my local work stations.

I want to build on top of what he's already done. I want to improve his work and put my own spin on it and I want to be able to release it to you all so you can use it, extend it, hack it, learn from it, whatever.

Honestly I'm getting sick of these arguments over nothing. I'm starting to think a few of you are really nuts, crazy, not right in the head. But then again you probably think the same thing about me.

I shouldn't even be replying to this but I will not let this one go. You think I'm some low-life? Let me tell you something. Where I come from family is still the most important thing in this world.

You think I'm trying to pressure him into releasing his work here? News flash; I'm just letting him know I'd appreciate it if he did and I'd probably keep an eye on his work and make sure it gets ported in the future. I'm trying to help you and help him! But no, you have to shoot your mouth off because everyone wants to jump on the "vB.org ruins good hacks" bandwagon this week.

You've struck a nerve with me (and anyone that thinks the same way as you is included). But don't worry about it, I don't really care, it's just the internet and this is just a message board.

Eh I suppose this is the reaction you wanted. You want me to go make an ass out of myself so my opinion looks like the "bad one". I'm mostly a lone in my opinion but you'll notice I tend to stick to it. I don't hop on bandwagons...

O and BTW I already have most of his software and I'm not a customer. You see I have customers as well, customers that use his software and love it. I work with his software just about everyday! Right now I'm doing heavy modification to GARs for a client and I would like to release it to the community. Right now I can't but if The Geek decided to release his work here under a friendly license I could.

That's up to him and I'm not pestering him over it. I'm not sending him PMs, IMs, e-mails, nor am I holding a gun to his head and forcing him to read this thread.

Think before you post. Some of us still aren't afraid to express our opinion even if it isn't the popular one.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to bed. Us working people have to be up at 7am.

Wow, this is not what I expected from you. Btw, I wasn't aiming my post towards you. In all actuality I was speaking in a general manner. Meaning my post was aimed at anyone who wants to take advantage of his crisis. Brad, no hard feelings. I still think your cool, and your pizza mod is the best

Though let me be more specific.

If you (meaning anyone on this forum) are counting on having his mods posted here due to his current problems, then you are in the wrong.

[TECK]

Originally Posted by Lizard King

Sorry but why such a shame ? This site is not as it used to be anymore and i know tons of people who doesn't visit vb.org anymore ( like me ) I seriously do not want that quality products will be released here and die slowly. I prefer another company purchase the rights of the scripts from Sam or wait him to solve the crisis matter at least 5-6 month. This site is not the old vb.org sorry to tell this but vb.org is dying eacy other day.

I totally agree. Personally, I would NEVER release those scripts to vb.org site. Instead I would find a decent software developer and sell them to him, for a modic price. Sam should open an auction thread on his site, related to this issue. I hope, those scripts will never end up here (If you are smart, you understand what I mean).

[Alfa1]

Originally Posted by TECK

I totally agree. Personally, I would NEVER release those scripts to vb.org site. Instead I would find a decent software developer and sell them to him, for a modic price. Sam should open an auction thread on his site, related to this issue. I hope, those scripts will never end up here (If you are smart, you understand what I mean).

I think an advanced script like GARS needs a dedicated developer that can provide the support it deserves. An auction would probably not be optimal to find optimal support for it. Better find the best candidate and sell to that developer. Or instead of selling, ask for a sales commission.

[Chris M]

Lets get a couple of things straightened out here (speaking as a Customer not as a Staff member):

This site is not dieing in any way, shape or form as far as I can see - I've been here quite a bit longer than all of you negative and arguementative people so far in this thread, and I can tell you that I actually think that this site has progressed further than I ever thought possible 5 years ago...

Coders come and go, it's a part of life - Some good ones have gone, and some good ones are yet to come... Instead of moaning and bringing down the rest of the Community with you, be pro-active... Teach someone to code how you think it should be done... Or better yet, if you know so well how to be the perfect coder, why don't you take over development should it come to vB.org and perfect and maintain it?

Originally Posted by MRGTB

vB.org will take their usual stance of not wanting to get involved in the matter like they always do.

As far as I understand it, it's not a case of "wanting", more a case of "legally being able to"...

Things aren't always as black and white as "right and wrong"... vBulletin.org is not the Judge or the Jury in a dispute like that, and the majority of the time not even the Executioner, so please, get your facts straight before you present them...

And finally; I wish The Geek and his family well

Chris

[MRGTB]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Lets get a couple of things straightened out here (speaking as a Customer not as a Staff member):

This site is not dieing in any way, shape or form as far as I can see - I've been here quite a bit longer than all of you negative and arguementative people so far in this thread, and I can tell you that I actually think that this site has progressed further than I ever thought possible 5 years ago...

Coders come and go, it's a part of life - Some good ones have gone, and some good ones are yet to come... Instead of moaning and bringing down the rest of the Community with you, be pro-active... Teach someone to code how you think it should be done... Or better yet, if you know so well how to be the perfect coder, why don't you take over development should it come to vB.org and perfect and maintain it?


As far as I understand it, it's not a case of "wanting", more a case of "legally being able to"...

Things aren't always as black and white as "right and wrong"... vBulletin.org is not the Judge or the Jury in a dispute like that, and the majority of the time not even the Executioner, so please, get your facts straight before you present them...

And finally; I wish The Geek and his family well

Chris

But this has nothing to do with being "negative" or "argumentative" like you claim. Where just stating a fact that this site is just not the same as it used to be, sorry if you don't like that! All because "YOU" claim thats not the case, doesn't mean your right and we're are all wrong. If you feel the site is still the same as it used to be, OK you think that!

Like others, I hardly come and post much these days unlike before. All I mainly do now is just read a few threads when I'm bored and post very little back to them. Mainly because I started to notice a while ago that very little help was forth coming to problems posted here when asking for help and advice. This was not the case a year or more ago. And was the reason why it was a better community back then which would entice you to make posts.

Sorry, but you kind of lose interest when you know your post are just going to fall on deaf ears all the time. Lately I've seen may questions posted by members, and they even bump their own threads to try and get replies. And weeks later they still have no replies. Open your eyes, if you cannot see this is a big reason for people losing interest here now something is seriously wrong. It's not rocket science!

[Regs]

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