VBseo?? Anybody using them? Or any other SEO company?

One of my sites, http://greatlakes4x4.com is growing extremely fast, 1.3 years old, close to 500,000 posts now. But I'm having some problems.

I suck at SEO. And the site goes between being google rank 2 and 3 depending on what day I look. My "competitors" websites that are not near as busy seem to appear much higher for most search words. I want every edge possible in the search engines.

Are VBSEO and the others a marketing scam, or do they really yield results?

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by FreshFroot

Not all vBSEO customers are happy... many regret even paying $149.

Not all vBulletin customers are happy and some regret paying the $160. Like I said... what is your point?

Logic shows vBSEO helps? where is the proof? It's VERY equal.. many places HAVE improved and mabye HAVEN'T. I'm not saying it doesn't work.. or it does... I'm saying.. are you willing to take a risk over $149 for something that MIGHT work...

Logic like duplicate urls going to the same thread are bad. It's a huge SEO flaw to have different urls to access the same page. On top of that you have duplicate content out the ass with printthread.php, showpost.php and the archive.

People are better off taking a chance with Zoints, atleast they have nothing to lose.

They have lots to lose. Considering Zoints was just sold where will support be and for how much longer? What happens when vBulletin 4.0 comes out and no one ports it? What happens when PHP 6 comes out and no one is there to fix problems that comes from using that version? What happens when you are forced to uninstall Zoints SEO because it's either that or run outdated software for the existence of your forum. That's a lot to lose in my book.

BTW, the product is falsely advertised.. like I said, there is no 100% proof it helps or not. It works for some and it doesn't for the others. I don't see it being a good risk to take for something that doesn't have a high guarantee.

Ok you say it is falsely advertised and then you don't tell why. Where do they tell you that VBSEO will work perfectly for you within xx months?

The problem is not that it doesn't work!!!! The problem is that people buy VBSEO and expect it to take their site to number one for all of the keywords they want. They buy it and then don't do the other basics of SEO such as link building and then whine on forums about it doing nothing for their site.

That is the problem. Not that it doesn't work.

BTW, what happens when TONS of people use vBSEO? We ALL can't have our sites index super well...

Luckily there are a lot of people like you around for the rest of us then I guess right?

vBSEO started off great, to many people are bought into the false advertising and buy the product THINKING it works... and for many, it sadly hasn't.

Again with this false advertising crap.

[kall]

Guys,

It's quite clear that people on both sides of this debate are passionate about their stance.

Because of this, please keep the debate civil so this thread doesn't get closed.

Thanks in advance.

[briansol]

149 bucks can get you another vB license.

and then you'll have 2 empty forums.


SEO can only take you so far.

If your content sucks, no one is searching for it, you can have the best SEO'd site in the wrold, but still no traffic.

You're missing the larger picture of what SEO is.

its about optimizing the CONTENT and the links is just a small part of it.

So again, if you don't have content, don't expect results.


Zoints SEO is not SEO. it should be called "Zoints mod_rewrite" as that is all it does.
In fact, Dchapman, founder of zoints, is a member of vbseo.
does that not tell you something?


vB has already stated it won't do mod-rewrite, as it is designed to run on windows as well.
even if they release a version of it, i doubt it will touch on 10% of what vbseo has built into it.

I'm not going to argue with you on this.

If you don't want it- fine. In fact, i hope you DONT buy it. That way, i can continue to own you on all your queries and get your intended traffic to my board and to click my ads and make me money

I actually just posted a new review. It's been 9 months since i installed vbseo on my first forum.
http://www.vbseo.com/f84/9-months-si...all-13027-new/

I now own 5 licenses as its proved itself to me time and time again.

[FreshFroot]

Originally Posted by briansol

149 bucks can get you another vB license.

and then you'll have 2 empty forums.


SEO can only take you so far.

If your content sucks, no one is searching for it, you can have the best SEO'd site in the wrold, but still no traffic.

You're missing the larger picture of what SEO is.

its about optimizing the CONTENT and the links is just a small part of it.

So again, if you don't have content, don't expect results.


Zoints SEO is not SEO. it should be called "Zoints mod_rewrite" as that is all it does.
In fact, Dchapman, founder of zoints, is a member of vbseo.
does that not tell you something?


vB has already stated it won't do mod-rewrite, as it is designed to run on windows as well.
even if they release a version of it, i doubt it will touch on 10% of what vbseo has built into it.

I'm not going to argue with you on this.

If you don't want it- fine. In fact, i hope you DONT buy it. That way, i can continue to own you on all your queries and get your intended traffic to my board and to click my ads and make me money

I actually just posted a new review. It's been 9 months since i installed vbseo on my first forum.


I now own 5 licenses as its proved itself to me time and time again.

You'll regret buying licence's when vB comes out with something better. Go ahead, own on the queries buddy, your just dreaming. I've seen tons of sites that don't use vBSEO and still do better than sites WITH vBSEO.

BTW you don't have to argue, people can easily view the thread at vb's forums and learn for themselves, how vBSEO is a waste of money. It's all a marketing gimmick, they make money off us for being stupid and buying into their product.

As for BamaStinkGuy, obviously you'd support vbSEO, your making money off people. You basically impress a person on how vBSEO is sooo good and fool the person into buying it, yet they don't know your refer of them gives you a free vBSEO licence.

Like I said, vBSEO isn't proven to work and heck for some people it doesn;t. Think about it, what happens when tons of people use vBSEO? then wut? not ALL of us will get indexed and we have wasted money on a product TONS of people bought because some guy made something up and made it sound good.

I don't need to say anything, search on google and vbulletin.com about the cons of the product and you will see the TRUTH behide the product.

If you guys bought it, you guys are slow in the head. You just lost out on over $149 spent on those licence. Wait till your jaws drop down, when vB releases something quite similar. Then that money will have gone down the drain and you'll be stuck with useless products.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212607

If you don't believe me check the following links at vB. Do your research folks, don't become blind and stupid like these fella's. I don't blame them, they were blinded with false advertisements.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220761

[kall]

Originally Posted by FreshFroot

You'll regret buying licence's when vB comes out with something better.

As already stated in this thread (and linked to), there are no plans to SEO vBulletin. None that have been posted about by any Jelsoft employee anyway.

yet they don't know your refer of them gives you a free vBSEO licence.

Incorrect. The vBSEO Affiliate program does NOT provide a 100% return on referral.

I don't need to say anything, search on google and vbulletin.com about the cons of the product and you will see the TRUTH behide the product.

For every negative review you provide, I can provide at least 3 postive ones.

If you guys bought it, you guys are slow in the head.

I have asked you once, nicely, to keep this discussion civil. Ignore me again and you may find yourself on the receiving end of a warning.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212607

If you don't believe me check the following links at vB. Do your research folks, don't become blind and stupid like these fella's. I don't blame them, they were blinded with false advertisements.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220761

What exactly are you proving to be true with those links?

[briansol]

I think the quality of his post speaks for itself.

[AzzidReign]

Originally Posted by FreshFroot

You'll regret buying licence's when vB comes out with something better. Go ahead, own on the queries buddy, your just dreaming. I've seen tons of sites that don't use vBSEO and still do better than sites WITH vBSEO.

BTW you don't have to argue, people can easily view the thread at vb's forums and learn for themselves, how vBSEO is a waste of money. It's all a marketing gimmick, they make money off us for being stupid and buying into their product.

As for BamaStinkGuy, obviously you'd support vbSEO, your making money off people. You basically impress a person on how vBSEO is sooo good and fool the person into buying it, yet they don't know your refer of them gives you a free vBSEO licence.

Like I said, vBSEO isn't proven to work and heck for some people it doesn;t. Think about it, what happens when tons of people use vBSEO? then wut? not ALL of us will get indexed and we have wasted money on a product TONS of people bought because some guy made something up and made it sound good.

I don't need to say anything, search on google and vbulletin.com about the cons of the product and you will see the TRUTH behide the product.

If you guys bought it, you guys are slow in the head. You just lost out on over $149 spent on those licence. Wait till your jaws drop down, when vB releases something quite similar. Then that money will have gone down the drain and you'll be stuck with useless products.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212607

If you don't believe me check the following links at vB. Do your research folks, don't become blind and stupid like these fella's. I don't blame them, they were blinded with false advertisements.

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220761

You sound really smart...

Before I bought vBSEO, my site only had very minimal pages indexed in Google. My homepage was a PR4 and everything else was 0. I was only making at most $5 a day with my ad units. ONCE I installed vBSEO, I earned $20+ the first FULL day I had it installed (using their targeted ad feature). It paid for itself the FIRST WEEK I had it, then paid for my hosting the second week, and straight profit the last ~2 weeks. In my eyes, you are the one blinded...how can you go wrong with profit like that?!

Also, I have quite a few good PR pages, still at PR4 on my homepage since I haven't done much link building in the past 9 months but hey...getting much more traffic than I've ever gotten...most of my traffic comes from google; before I had it installed, NO traffic was from google. I had less than 10 pages indexed in google, now I have 121,000+ indexed. In the past 2 months or so, my Alexa traffic rank has increased by nearly 300,000 to where I'm in the top 50,000 sites!!! In another month or so,

Was it vBSEO that did it? Who knows, but the results I saw RIGHT AFTER I installed it leads me to believe it was. I didn't have it on my site for roughly a year so I know how the site was doing without it. I didn't change much of my content after I installed it either...

But hey, I'll keep bringing in my profits that I believe (you can believe what you want) is from the help of vBSEO. I've seen what it did with my site FIRST HAND nearly right away. All my "competition" sites do not run vBSEO and are running vBulletin software, all of us have nearly the same content, and we all run our sites nearly the same (they advertise more though), yet I've got nearly 30,000 members, when they are around 11,000 (when they started their site before I did). I have around 200 more people on my site at any time than they do.

Believe what you want but I believe my numbers speak for themselves.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by briansol

I think the quality of his post speaks for itself.

Exactly and I wish he would leave this thread before he gets it locked with his nonsense.

[FreshFroot]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

Exactly and I wish he would leave this thread before he gets it locked with his nonsense.

Quality? Why does it matter about the quality of my posts. Members aren't here to look at my grammer and spelling and judge vBSEO based off it. They are here to read, research and take a look at the links at vB's forums. They will understand vBSEO isn't worth it at all. I know if it WAS worth the price, we would have some vB dep. using it too.

Like I said, there is no 100% proof it works at all and for the price your paying, it's just absolutely rediculious... I've never seen a 3rd party plugin for more then the actual product. Along with that I've seen people like Joe Ward try to falsey advertise their products.

So research before buying and if you want to waste money, go right ahead. But if you can wait, I'd wait for vB 4. I know the guys over there will have something implemented, just because there has been much talk about it.

Originally Posted by FreshFroot

Quality? Why does it matter about the quality of my posts. Members aren't here to look at my grammer and spelling and judge vBSEO based off it. They are here to read, research and take a look at the links at vB's forums. They will understand vBSEO isn't worth it at all. I know if it WAS worth the price, we would have some vB dep. using it too.

Like I said, there is no 100% proof it works at all and for the price your paying, it's just absolutely rediculious... I've never seen a 3rd party plugin for more then the actual product. Along with that I've seen people like Joe Ward try to falsey advertise their products.

So research before buying and if you want to waste money, go right ahead. But if you can wait, I'd wait for vB 4. I know the guys over there will have something implemented, just because there has been much talk about it.

EDIT: ahh no wonder you support vBSEO so much, haha! You work there! Your on their pre-release team. Now I see why you defend them so much. I don't blame you mate, If comment against your company you'll get fired. Who knows, mabye one day when your working with a better company, you'll be able to tell us the real deal

[BamaStangGuy]

I don't work for VBSEO. Pre-Release simply means I test the software before it is released to the public. There is no payment involved. Sorry to thwart another one of your conspiracy theories. Keep on posting though. You keep making yourself look better and better.

So research before buying and if you want to waste money, go right ahead. But if you can wait, I'd wait for vB 4. I know the guys over there will have something implemented, just because there has been much talk about it.

If you say this 300 more times within this thread it still isn't going to make it true. No where has Jelsoft said that they are thinking about implementing mod_rewrite in 4.0. In fact they have said they are not interested in doing so.