Members Helping Members

[noppid]

That is pure crap and you know it Wayne.

I'm the man that your so called community of so called helpful staff ganged up on and removed the work of because of one line of code once. I can cite many other examples of your staff acting like jerks with your support. Shall I go on?

Don't shove down my throat that we need to act a certain way. You and your staff have set the tone by example. Your little post there will do nothing to change things here. You have to change first and your posts make it clear that will never happen.

You come out of the wood work when your little henchmen fail to clean up their messes and it happens too frequently. Either get invoilved everyday, or get out completely. Your form of management has failed the ORG time and time again.

Please stop it with your community concern, your care about your little click and their self serving opportunities only.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Noppid, on all levels (Jelsoft/Staff/Coders/regular members) people are working at the moment to find suggestions to make some radical changes to make this a better place in the future.

I am sure your suggestions will be taken into consideration when things are discussed.

[Wayne Luke]

I am not managing this site and I never have. I am a liaison between this site and Jelsoft. I help to pass information both ways. If people have a problem with the staff, then they need to contact me directly.

If an addon is removed, it is because it was determined to be in the best interest of Jelsoft's customers as a whole. If you felt that was unjust then you should have made your case directly to me and explained why instead of doing nothing but complaining on the site. It is as simple as that.

The direct management of the site is run by the volunteers here. The goal was and still is to build a community. Something which never really happened here. Otherwise there wouldn't be arguments in this thread. It wasn't some sort of demand and I feel those complaining in this thread didn't read the entire thing.

Quite frankly if you are that dissatisfied with the site Noppid, I would prefer that you not participate at all instead of doing nothing but spreading hatred and vitriole. It is time for people to let the past go and rebuild for the future.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

Noppid, on all levels (Jelsoft/Staff/Coders/regular members) people are working at the moment to find suggestions to make some radical changes to make this a better place in the future.

I am sure your suggestions will be taken into consideration when things are discussed.

I long ago stopped making suggestions after being told the same thing many times in the past, sir. That is why myself and many other's have resorted to this form of force change by embarressment tactic I'd venture to guess.

It serves two purposes, we vent and maybe get an importantant message out. I will say that the ORG has been very indulgent in entertaining it. However, our tactics nor anyone in any branch of the internal staff have been able to reign in the young and arrogant within your organization. You can be certain we play off those attitudes as I noted in my post to Wayne.

So I will not hold my breath while the internal wheels turn. I've seen the tread wearing for a long time on that wheel.

Thank you for the polite reply.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

I am not managing this site and I never have. I am a liaison between this site and Jelsoft. I help to pass information both ways. If people have a problem with the staff, then they need to contact me directly.

If an addon is removed, it is because it was determined to be in the best interest of Jelsoft's customers as a whole. If you felt that was unjust then you should have made your case directly to me and explained why instead of doing nothing but complaining on the site. It is as simple as that.

The direct management of the site is run by the volunteers here. The goal was and still is to build a community. Something which never really happened here. Otherwise there wouldn't be arguments in this thread. It wasn't some sort of demand and I feel those complaining in this thread didn't read the entire thing.

Quite frankly if you are that dissatisfied with the site Noppid, I would prefer that you not participate at all instead of doing nothing but spreading hatred and vitriole. It is time for people to let the past go and rebuild for the future.

Well, coming in and micro managing is not something you do well. A simple search will prove that.

Don't make this about me. That is the pinicle of this whole mess Wanye and when you pick on me personally, you are part of the problem. I have an obligation to pick on you and will continue to exercise it as long as I feel you do a lousy job.

As for staying away, that statement makes it obvious that you are not involved enough in the operations you are responsible to Jelsoft for. If you were doing your job, you'd know I don't hang out here.

So do us all a favor, like I said in the first post, lead by example and clean up your act. If you are supposed to be a liaison, at least take the initiative to know what you are working with rather then come in here once every three months or so to put out a fire while you have no idea of the big picture. Treat everyone with respect, even if they disagree with you.

You can't really upset me much more then you have in the past. I deal with it fine. But if you want to make me your huckleberry, have at it. I can take it.

However, this being your house, I don't expect you to allow it. It's more likely you'll follow suite of those that took their ball and left by removing the topic at some point.

But have no fear, I've wasted enough time on this matter and will move on. I just wanted the historical foot note.

Good luck.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Noppid, if you have problems with how a Moderator handles something, you put your case in the hands of an Admin.
If you feel that the Admins are also not listening to you, contact the Jelsoft liason, ie Wayne.
If you have complaints about him, contact his boss, ie. Kier.

Please stop fighting out your personal historical differences on the board. Especially if been asked to keep this thread dedicated to positive input to change things for the better in the future.

You state you don't hang out here anymore, if that is the case, then i don't see why you feel so strong about making points in a thread about the future of this site.

[Gaskell]

<i>*Goes back to the original post*</i>

I'm new to vB.org, and struggled with basic HTML when I tried learning it. I dont even want to attempt PHP with my lack of knowledge of everything else. However, I like to think that people here do help others.

Even with no coding knowledge, I can install a hack/modification and get it working. I can put all of the files in the right place and then work out how to actually use the mod. That is better than some fresh newbies to the software, so if someone asks something that sounds stupid and "n00bish" to the coders, I will actually help out, even if it means actually installing a hack that I wouldnt use on a test site, just to be friendly. We were all in the same boat at some time in our pasts, so it feels right to go full cycle (being new getting help, learning from others, learning to code, making the first mod then helping others who are new to the game).

As has been said (I think), communities help each other and this is a community.

[joeychgo]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

Noppid, if you have problems with how a Moderator handles something, you put your case in the hands of an Admin.
If you feel that the Admins are also not listening to you, contact the Jelsoft liason, ie Wayne.
If you have complaints about him, contact his boss, ie. Kier.

Please stop fighting out your personal historical differences on the board. Especially if been asked to keep this thread dedicated to positive input to change things for the better in the future.

You state you don't hang out here anymore, if that is the case, then i don't see why you feel so strong about making points in a thread about the future of this site.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

Quite frankly if you are that dissatisfied with the site Noppid, I would prefer that you not participate at all instead of doing nothing but spreading hatred and vitriole. It is time for people to let the past go and rebuild for the future.

Marco - Wayne - The tone and attitude in your posts is a big part of what I think is the problem around here. You just told Noppid to keep his opinions to himself because it doesnt fit in what you want to accomplish.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that is making .org into something people are complaining about. Instead of trying to mend fences, your telling him his opinion isnt important. How does that help?

Is this how you felt when LiveWire made his original post?

I am not trying to jump on you guys, I am only trying to illustrate what I see as one of the problems. Instead, I want to suggest that you ask yourself why Noppid and others feel this way.

Originally Posted by joeychgo

Marco - Wayne - The tone and attitude in your posts is a big part of what I think is the problem around here. You just told Noppid to keep his opinions to himself because it doesnt fit in what you want to accomplish.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that is making .org into something people are complaining about. Instead of trying to mend fences, your telling him his opinion isnt important. How does that help?

Is this how you felt when LiveWire made his original post?

I am not trying to jump on you guys, I am only trying to illustrate what I see as one of the problems. Instead, I want to suggest that you ask yourself why Noppid and others feel this way.

I belive it's more of the fact that it is not on topic with this thread. From what I can see, Noppids problems seem to be on a personal level, rather than on a global level (like the current issues raised), however, as I don't know the full story, I'm not permitted to make any judgements or statements. Noppid, as Marco pointed out, there is a hierarchy of whom you can contact if you feel you are being treated unfairly.

[joeychgo]

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

I belive it's more of the fact that it is not on topic with this thread. From what I can see, Noppids problems seem to be on a personal level, rather than on a global level (like the current issues raised), however, as I don't know the full story, I'm not permitted to make any judgements or statements. Noppid, as Marco pointed out, there is a hierarchy of whom you can contact if you feel you are being treated unfairly.

Well, dont you think this could have been handled in PM instead of publically slapping him down - twice?

See, it makes people afraid to say whats really on their mind. Not only Noppid, but also others that might read. Livewire felt it necessary to make the statement - "I hope no one thinks badly about me now, but I was just trying to express how I felt." - These are all indicators.

Im not trying to jump on the staff or anyone else here. I am only trying to illustrate what I see as one of the problems.

[SaN-DeeP]

good post wayne