Poll: Should .org have a section for paid add-ons?

[MPDev]

Originally Posted by noppid

Why should vBulletin let us ride their backs?

Because the members have asked for it?

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by noppid

What your post comes down to is that you are annoyed that certain products don't have lite versions that make it within the rules to post here and promote the paid version.

People are expressing that its difficult to locate anything for vB that isn't a hobby project. Since vB is a commercial product, one would naturally anticipate that Jelsoft would support commercial 3rd party developers. Right now, it doesnt. They are given the banishment treatment. Hopefully that will change soon.

I mean, geez - its not like anyone is forcing you to use it if you don't want to.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by The Geek

People are expressing that its difficult to locate anything for vB that isn't a hobby project. Since vB is a commercial product, one would naturally anticipate that Jelsoft would support commercial 3rd party developers. Right now, it doesnt. They are given the banishment treatment. Hopefully that will change soon.

I mean, geez - its not like anyone is forcing you to use it if you don't want to.

I never said I wouldn't use it. What I said is that this place works great the way it is.

Many others have expressed how this addition to this forum would change this forum. The change can't be denied.

I think the best suggestion, and this is up to vB not me, would be a seperate site completely for such advertising. And honestly, I can't see it being a paid resource worth managing.

[Talisman]

Originally Posted by noppid

I never said I wouldn't use it. What I said is that this place works great the way it is.

Many others have expressed how this addition to this forum would change this forum. The change can't be denied.

I think the best suggestion, and this is up to vB not me, would be a seperate site completely for such advertising. And honestly, I can't see it being a paid resource worth managing.

Exactly. I'll be right there to support commercial hacks, too... I don't mind paying for premium work if it's something I really need/want for my site. Just set that up somewhere other than vBulletin.org.

I imagine, if Jelsoft really wants to support commercial add-ons, they could set up a referral page or index or advertiser's marketplace as a "paid" community feature.... at their own vBulletin.com website. It just doesn't belong here. They could even charge commercial hackers a nominal fee for the opportunity to buy an advertisement/listing there.

[SupremeWeapon]

the reason i went to commercial software was the service and support of the vb community, it drives me made that some odd-hatered of commercial coding exists here when the site is dedicated to support commercial software..

paying 100+$ for software and then turn around and pay more for files with txt that take less then a week to build is actually ludicris. nw for the hacks that people actually take there time on and do alot to like the rpg hackm it woul dbe worth it. The you have the fact where MOST paid hacks/plugin authors promise unlimited free upgrades for new versions of VB but then dissapear after a few vb versions are released. To me thats a VERY bad bussiness sense, and it stop people from ever trusting in paid hacks/plugin again.

for org to go into paid for that it would really strain community relationships when authors go MIA and stop supporting therehacks/plugins when they promised it and free lifetime upgrading and what not.


i know i havent been here in a while, and its mainly because i was one of the ones on the short end of the stick for a paid hack... its not fun

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Sorry to say, but you should also blame yourself a bit. If you are paying an individual for unlimited/lifetime support, you know that this will never happen. No individual can keep up that promise, it just takes some common sense to realize that.

Make good agreements with an individual if you buy something. You could for example agree on a shorter period of support (reasonable, for a reasonable price) and also put in writing what can/should happen if the coder ever stop his work. You could for example agree that if coder is missing for more then 2 month, you are free to let someone else to take over, but i guess you can think of 100 constructions.

About the prize of payed work compaired to full vBulletin: people always tend to forget that Jelsoft sells 10,000ths copies of vB and like that can keep the costs of 1 license low. If you order a custom hack, all the work done must be paid by 1 customer: You! If you are lucky you want something that can be sold more, maybe 5 times to reduce the costs for 1 license. If you are really lucky then it could be sold 100 times, spreading he costs.

So it is not a real surprise some hacks cost more then vB itself.

[SupremeWeapon]

If gave a lifetime commitement to keeping them upgraded for paying customers i would do just that. Your word is your bond and your word is what makes you a man (or a woman)

[Revan]

Originally Posted by noppid

Or coder could release lite versions of their paid vBulletin add in software.

Do you have any idea how much work is involved in releasing a lite version?
Even with a highly revised and structurised coding style, picking out the advanced features (not like just adding "if (!is_paid())") takes time that very well could be spent on developing new features, fixing bugs or just improve the coding.
Do you think Jelsoft stopped releasing vB Lite because they felt like being nasty towards the people wanting an extended preview? I wasn't here for when this change happened but I have enough common sense to figure out that this was not the case. They felt their developers time could be spent on the main product.

Originally Posted by SupremeWeapon

paying 100+$ for software and then turn around and pay more for files with txt that take less then a week to build is actually ludicris. nw for the hacks that people actually take there time on and do alot to like the rpg hackm it woul dbe worth it.

Why thank you for that assessment

Originally Posted by SupremeWeapon

The you have the fact where MOST paid hacks/plugin authors promise unlimited free upgrades for new versions of VB but then dissapear after a few vb versions are released. To me thats a VERY bad bussiness sense, and it stop people from ever trusting in paid hacks/plugin again.

Unless you are referring to actual text on paid sites, I can't say Ive ever encountered anyone promising unlimited support. That's like saying they will live forever and always develop that script, which obviously is impossible. So yeah, if such a promise exists anywhere then I concur with Marco.

Originally Posted by SupremeWeapon

for org to go into paid for that it would really strain community relationships when authors go MIA and stop supporting therehacks/plugins when they promised it and free lifetime upgrading and what not.

That's why we are discussing a directory of off-sites, so vBulletin.org staff could simply remove a site should the coder go MIA or decide to no longer support his hack. vB.org would not handle money transactions or be in any other way legally involved.

Originally Posted by SupremeWeapon

i know i havent been here in a while, and its mainly because i was one of the ones on the short end of the stick for a paid hack... its not fun

Sorry to hear that mate, Ive been short-sticked as a coder once too so I know how ya feel.

[Jenta]

After all the hooplia with John's arcade pay option it only reinforces why commercial products would not fit in here very well....even if it's just a links directory.

For the sake of throwing this out. How about this...
You wan't your product listed here? End users would get a 25% discount if they come from vb.org. You are going to sell more so I don't see this as a problem.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Jenta

After all the hooplia with John's arcade pay option it only reinforces why commercial products would not fit in here very well....even if it's just a links directory.

For the sake of throwing this out. How about this...
You wan't your product listed here? End users would get a 25% discount if they come from vb.org. You are going to sell more so I don't see this as a problem.

Sorry, that won't solve anything. That will just allow them to raise their prices by 30 percent to offset the discount.