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[Simon Lloyd]

Originally Posted by Zachery

The site doesn't need any cleanup, I disagree.

+1 fro me!, i've said this before the board is functional for the purpose, it's plainly laid out and easy to find every section.

You wont get new developers/coders/designers coming here because you have a new section that only has the latest or hotest mods in, and you wont get new blood because all the unsupported "supported" mods have been cleaned up!, when i create a new mod i dont all of sudden troll through the mods to see if anyone has one supported or otherwise, if it seems like a good idea for me then i'll create it!

[LLent]

Originally Posted by Simon Lloyd

+1 fro me!, i've said this before the board is functional for the purpose, it's plainly laid out and easy to find every section.

You wont get new developers/coders/designers coming here because you have a new section that only has the latest or hotest mods in, and you wont get new blood because all the unsupported "supported" mods have been cleaned up!, when i create a new mod i dont all of sudden troll through the mods to see if anyone has one supported or otherwise, if it seems like a good idea for me then i'll create it!

you are one of many coders speaking about this i dont see the others commenting all i see is you and the vb team and me and another member ...

i am not speaking on a coders behalf i am speaking on a end user behalf this will benefit the end user and again it was merely a suggestion on my findings as a end user on this forum i personally will find it easier to just go to supported content ...

the vb team said they wont change it is what it is so i dont get this debate about how you or another coder would be offended ect if this was to happen ...

oh well this was a mistake on me posting this just for a few sub sections what a pity a member cant suggest anything without a huge debacle

[Simon Lloyd]

I'm not offended, it's a debate , in a debate you get to hear all sides whther you like it or not!. The "VB Team" you are talking about aka Zachery and Lynne are both prolific coders in their own right and as they have given so much to the community both in coding and support help to non mod questions they've joined the vbulletin team.

As Zachery said he marks ALL his mods unsupported but supports every one of them, just think about all the great stuff you'd miss if you only ever went to the "supported mods" forum!

If you truly wanted something supported you'd have to go to the paid section of these forums, again you'd miss out on great stuff.

[LLent]

Originally Posted by Simon Lloyd

I'm not offended, it's a debate , in a debate you get to hear all sides whther you like it or not!. The "VB Team" you are talking about aka Zachery and Lynne are both prolific coders in their own right and as they have given so much to the community both in coding and support help to non mod questions they've joined the vbulletin team.

As Zachery said he marks ALL his mods unsupported but supports every one of them, just think about all the great stuff you'd miss if you only ever went to the "supported mods" forum!

If you truly wanted something supported you'd have to go to the paid section of these forums, again you'd miss out on great stuff.

yes i do know they are both coders and i know their capacity...

as for zach making his mod unsupported that to me is just ridiculous if he supports his mods then it should be marked as such but i also know he has a big plate so maybe his ans is mark it unsupported cause he dont have time why not say that in the description

i pay for a lot of excellent mods through dragonbyte which there support is top notch at vb and there site when you say i would be missing out on things i wont as long as they are around

really we have gotten of the track with this thread my intent was to make mention of what i would like to see ... but what vb is telling me is that even though something is not for sale then it really is i am not a mind reader lol

oh well

[Zachery]

I'm in the opinion that no one should expect support from my addons, and support given to them is as my personal time permits. The addons I release here I do so to because I feel like they'll provide value or a learning experience for others.

Lots of people follow the same method as me, addons marked as unsupported, but support is given.

[BirdOPrey5]

It would certainly be nice if we could readily tell supported mods from unsupported but there is just no practical way to do so.

Even if a mod is supported the day you download it there is no promise (and never will be) it remains supported after you download it.

If you require that kind of dependability you will need to limit yourself to paid mods from the bigger/reliable places. Of course even paid mods have been known to lose support unexpectedly.

[Simon Lloyd]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

It would certainly be nice if we could readily tell supported mods from unsupported but there is just no practical way to do so.

Even if a mod is supported the day you download it there is no promise (and never will be) it remains supported after you download it.

If you require that kind of dependability you will need to limit yourself to paid mods from the bigger/reliable places. Of course even paid mods have been known to lose support unexpectedly.

Lol, nuff said!

[TheLastSuperman]

One reason some mark mods as "unsupported" yet support it, is so they do not have to deal with negative comments and attitude from those who believe support given should be within minutes after they post. I know at one point in time I had one style up and the comments made when I was extremely busy before I could even release an update were simply uncalled for and silly at best, in fact it made me not bother to a certain degree and of course it was my prerogative to do so.

In the future any release I make will be marked as unsupported yet I will support it to the best of my ability simply to avoid what I mentioned above from happening again and if it does no worries here, I'm doing the best I can within my free and can live with that .

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by Zachery

I'm in the opinion that no one should expect support from my addons, and support given to them is as my personal time permits. The addons I release here I do so to because I feel like they'll provide value or a learning experience for others.

Lots of people follow the same method as me, addons marked as unsupported, but support is given.

This is exactly why I mark many of my mods as unsupported. I got sick of users wanting an answer within one hour and then PMing me because I wasn't responding right away to their question. If I mark it as unsupported (even though I do support them), then I find I don't get users being so insistent that I help them right then and instead they are willing to wait a day or two.

[LLent]

Originally Posted by Lynne

This is exactly why I mark many of my mods as unsupported. I got sick of users wanting an answer within one hour and then PMing me because I wasn't responding right away to their question. If I mark it as unsupported (even though I do support them), then I find I don't get users being so insistent that I help them right then and instead they are willing to wait a day or two.

Well this very interesting to say the least i never realized vb was like this even though this thread has went into a different direction i have gotten a great education on how certain coders and top vb staff feel and operate ..

i guess i am used to a higher standard and i am spoiled by the Dragon byte team all there mods are supported here and on there site ... not to mention there quick responses ...and of course they have lives too what a top notch bunch of coders

so from what i gathered most coders here think of the member base as chores because they are getting stuff for free so rather then hear why havent you responded to me this minute with support we mark the mods as unsupported but in reality they are supported so its like a deception but to you its not ...

what a confusing way to run a site if i see a mod i think is unsupported but in reality it is .. i ask another coder to improve or make the same mod i am out of luck but i might be in luck with that coder that has what i want so just make a post and its a miracle the coder will appear ...

as a end user we didnt know these facts ..in fact if i knew this i wouldnt have to have made this post ...