Sarah Palin: We've got to stand with our North Korean allies

[Marco van Herwaarden]

A topic on a funny slip of the tongue by a politician is okay on vBulletin.org, but please do not turn this into a political thread.

[BirdOPrey5]

EDIT: Marco- I started writing this post before your post (yes it took over 30 minutes because I was distracted) but I hope you don't consider this political in any case.

America does not like war... yeah you have some crazy sicko's out there who just like to kill and find their outlet in the Military- but from both personal experience and internal military news sources the VAST majority of US Soldiers would like nothing better than to maintain the peace rather than wage war. War is HELL and no one knows that better than a soldier. Most military men (and women) have families and want to get back to them alive and with all the arms and legs they had before they left.

So yes, we all WANT peace... the problem is that there are forces in this world who genuinely don't want peace. I can't even blame some terrorists for hating America and the Western world... Truth be told they got the raw end of the stick over the last 200 years. Now some blame lies with themselves for being either too entrenched into ancient religious beliefs and/or allowing themselves to be governed by brutal warlords and tyrants rather than modern democracies that evolved elsewhere in the world... but regardless of how or why we got to where we are it doesn't change the facts right now. The facts are there are people willing to kill themselves to kill us... there are people willing to strap bombs to their kids to kill us.

It can be strongly argued through the Bill Clinton Presidency America "stepped back" from around the world- our Military was cut and although we were being attacked by "terrorists" and Saddam Hussein we never really fought back other than fire a well placed missile at a public target. And for a long time this course of action looked like it could work- we were saving a lot of money and we were willing to accept occasional loses to military targets and embassies in far off lands. But on 9/11 when things hit home we learned in just a couple hours that we could not continue to ignore the world.

History teaches us what happens when the world refuses to be aggressive with aggressors. Without American intervention it was a real risk Saddam Hussein would have conquered Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the rest of the Arabian Peninsular, and then Iran and who knows what after that. No doubt through all this there would have been genocide of those throughout his empire he didn't like, like he had already done in Iraq itself.

The Taliban was another "government" that was certifiably crazy with delusions of world domination. Just a few months before 9/11 the Taliban raised my personal red flags when I read a new article about how they used tanks to destroy thousand+ year old carvings of Buddah or something like that made into the cliff-sides of the canyon walls. This would be the equivalent of Egypt destroying the Pyramids because they aren't Islamic in origin. I realized then that this was a festering wound allowed to grow too big we'd soon need to deal with, though I never expected how soon but it was obvious to anyone paying attention they'd be problem for the world as a whole.

So please don't confuse America's willingness to fight the enemy as America's desire for war. It may seem like one and the same to outsiders, it is probably even reported in such a way by international media to promote such thinking, but it is certainly not true.

[kh99]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

I agree... it would be the worst thing in the world for America to have an attractive, straight, woman who is patriotic and stands for family values in the White House.

Well, that's an interesting list of things that you feel are important to running a country. But there are lots of people in the country matching that description, is she really the best of them? Maybe there's someone out there with more knowledge of the world, a better education, or a little more experience, for instance?

BTW, I agree that her slip of the tongue wasn't a big deal - you can pretty much find something like that for anyone who speaks in public.

[BirdOPrey5]

Edited so as not to provoke a political discussion but suffice to say I agree I doubt she is the best person to be President of the USA as well.

[kh99]

I can understand that, and although I didn't read it before you edited it I can probably guess where you were going. I guess it's not an unusual thing to have a portion of the population believe that anything's better than the current situation at any given time - certainly that was as true 4 years ago as it is today.

[FreshFroot]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Edited so as not to provoke a political discussion but suffice to say I agree I doubt she is the best person to be President of the USA as well.

I can say from things that were asked of her and her responses.

I was shocked and yet happy that McCain did not win. Jeez imagine if McCain won and he died or got ill. Then she would have total power for a certain time.

The world would be in trouble, if people heard her replies towards some decisions she would make.

I just can't see how people could vote for Mccain with her by his side. It's like your asking yourself to be shot in the head.

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Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

EDIT: Marco- I started writing this post before your post (yes it took over 30 minutes because I was distracted) but I hope you don't consider this political in any case.

America does not like war... yeah you have some crazy sicko's out there who just like to kill and find their outlet in the Military- but from both personal experience and internal military news sources the VAST majority of US Soldiers would like nothing better than to maintain the peace rather than wage war. War is HELL and no one knows that better than a soldier. Most military men (and women) have families and want to get back to them alive and with all the arms and legs they had before they left.

So yes, we all WANT peace... the problem is that there are forces in this world who genuinely don't want peace. I can't even blame some terrorists for hating America and the Western world... Truth be told they got the raw end of the stick over the last 200 years. Now some blame lies with themselves for being either too entrenched into ancient religious beliefs and/or allowing themselves to be governed by brutal warlords and tyrants rather than modern democracies that evolved elsewhere in the world... but regardless of how or why we got to where we are it doesn't change the facts right now. The facts are there are people willing to kill themselves to kill us... there are people willing to strap bombs to their kids to kill us.

It can be strongly argued through the Bill Clinton Presidency America "stepped back" from around the world- our Military was cut and although we were being attacked by "terrorists" and Saddam Hussein we never really fought back other than fire a well placed missile at a public target. And for a long time this course of action looked like it could work- we were saving a lot of money and we were willing to accept occasional loses to military targets and embassies in far off lands. But on 9/11 when things hit home we learned in just a couple hours that we could not continue to ignore the world.

History teaches us what happens when the world refuses to be aggressive with aggressors. Without American intervention it was a real risk Saddam Hussein would have conquered Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the rest of the Arabian Peninsular, and then Iran and who knows what after that. No doubt through all this there would have been genocide of those throughout his empire he didn't like, like he had already done in Iraq itself.

The Taliban was another "government" that was certifiably crazy with delusions of world domination. Just a few months before 9/11 the Taliban raised my personal red flags when I read a new article about how they used tanks to destroy thousand+ year old carvings of Buddah or something like that made into the cliff-sides of the canyon walls. This would be the equivalent of Egypt destroying the Pyramids because they aren't Islamic in origin. I realized then that this was a festering wound allowed to grow too big we'd soon need to deal with, though I never expected how soon but it was obvious to anyone paying attention they'd be problem for the world as a whole.

So please don't confuse America's willingness to fight the enemy as America's desire for war. It may seem like one and the same to outsiders, it is probably even reported in such a way by international media to promote such thinking, but it is certainly not true.

If that is true.. then why did no other country help the US fight? I mean the UN voted NO for the war.

Yet USA thought it was okay for them to do what they did?

So what does that mean? That any country can say **** you all, we can do anything we want?

I mean had say most of the large countries in the world agreed with the USA. I'd be all with them too, but when practically everyone goes against you. How can you go through such an action?

[BirdOPrey5]

McCain hasn't died yet... I think his mother is even still alive, or she lived to some absurd old age...

Palin had some experience as a governor... plus Presidents have scores of advisors on every issue all of which know more about their area of expertise then the actual President could ever hope to understand.

All that said... whatever... I'm not arguing she'd have made a good president, only she wouldn't have been the worst president ever and certainly OK to be a vice president for a while.

As for the war though... I think you need to recheck your facts... the US was not alone- we had a coalition ... we had more counties in this coalition then we had during the first Gulf war. Yes the United States and the United Kingdom had the vast majority of the troops and equipment involved but many countries contributed something. '
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The United Nations failed... had they been a worthwhile organization we wouldn't have needed to go to war to begin with. Most Americans couldn't care less what the UN says or does these days and there's a growing movement to demand the UN move out of New York because we don't need their law breaking diplomats walking our streets with immunity and god knows what spy equipment comes to our shores as "diplomatic pouches" unable to be searched, even for weapons. I truly hope they move the UN to Canada or some other country, the sooner the better.

[RichieBoy67]

Originally Posted by CareyCrew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDesY...layer_embedded



Where do they get them from ?

Glen Beck is an idiot who makes up his own facts... His advertisers have all dumped him and Fox is playing the advertisements free.. Funny how he just connects things together and comes up with these large conspiracies. I won't even get into his racism. Glen beck and Rush Limbaugh are the 2 biggest racists in the US I would bet and they both have a large national audience. It embarrasses me to live in this country with people like that on the air..

As for Sarah Paline, OMG--she could have been a heartbeat away from the US presidency. I can think of nothing scarier than that. I am so sick of having to hear her stupid tweets every day.. She is afraid to debate anyone or answer any questions but the infatuation with this stupid woman has made her rich..

Some people say she is so attractive but to me she looks like a clown because of all the make up.. her cheeks are always full of red blush and it is just caked on.. I cannot stand to look at her..

I thought I was safe from having to hear about her on this forum but at least I can give my opinion here...

See-- 2 words just set me off-- Sarah Paline... Grrrrr!!! Thanks for allowing me to vent..

[SaturnVengeance]

She's crazy.

[Brandon Sheley]

Sarah Palin is a joke
and not a funny one..lol

and GB is a moron