vBulletin Suite vs. vBulletin

[R1lover]

If you buy windows 98, and then XP comes out, you don't get to upgrade for free do you?

I know this is not the same and I'm not happy about it either, but you used a bad example lol

[cheat-master30]

Originally Posted by Black Tiger

No that is the pricing change for normal vBulletin licenses and price changes for updates. Those were known for months and are already long time effective.

I'm talking about these:

And those were -not- known for months or weeks. At least these kind of announcements should be made by email to licensed users. Not everybody visit's the forums every week. I did not see anything in the announcement part of a rise.

It was known for months. It was in the leaked information that got posted over half a million or so forums on that eventful day, and the information that's caused vBulletin.com to have people literally trying to sue Jelsoft in return. Okay, not much was discussion on .org, but .org's a modification community/developer community, not just support.

I don't need all that other crap, and so do a lot of other people I guess. So there already was a price raise, and now we got another one.
And without the option to be able to only buy or renew only the forum software to version 4 if I understand correctly.
That is not the Lifetime!!! license I bought. I bought a lifetime forum license and I don't want to pay extra because some people in the office think they should put all unnecessary stuff to it which has nothing to do with a forum, like CMS, project, blog or whatever. Where is the legality on changing this lifetime license? My life isn't over yet. At least I hope.

There's a forum only option for the license as is. I'd assume that would be either a cheap or free upgrade.

[Black Tiger]

Originally Posted by r1lover

If you buy windows 98, and then XP comes out, you don't get to upgrade for free do you?

That does not apply because you can't buy a lifetime windows license with free upgrades.
We don't pay for the upgrades, we pay for support.
So I did use the correct example, but you reply'd with a wrong example.

and I'm not happy about it either

I did not see anything change for the better either since the IPB takeover of vBulletin.....

Originally Posted by cheat-master30

to have people literally trying to sue Jelsoft in return

Without any luck I guess....

It was known for months. It was in the leaked information

Well that could be, but it was not in the announcement forum, it was not known to me and the millions or so forums it was on, did not belong to the forums that either a lot of my friends or myself visit.
I visit 6 forums, of which I administer 1, am admin on another, moderate 4. Next to that I have my work and my family so it's quite possible for somebody not to heave read this and still be very busy.

There's a forum only option for the license as is. I'd assume that would be either a cheap or free upgrade.

If this is indeed the case, nobody will here me complaining anymore about this for the time being. But in that case it would be nice if somebody from staff would confirm this.

[Boosted Panda]

Originally Posted by R1lover

If you buy windows 98, and then XP comes out, you don't get to upgrade for free do you?

I know this is not the same and I'm not happy about it either, but you used a bad example lol

No but Apple offers Leopard owners Snow Leopard for next to nothing

[R1lover]

Originally Posted by Black Tiger

That does not apply because you can't buy a lifetime windows license with free upgrades.
We don't pay for the upgrades, we pay for support.
So I did use the correct example, but you reply'd with a wrong example.

ahhhhhhhhhhh but this is where you are incorrect again... when you bought win 98, you bought the license for it for life..... the life of the software.... and all updates to it. Although you did not buy a license to win xp so you can't. Windows XP is not an update to win 98, it's a new version.

See the picture now?

anyway this has nothing to do with this thread so I will stop now.

[Black Tiger]

See the picture now?

Yes I saw it before also, but I just don't quite agree, because with vB i have not only licensed updates but also all feature versions, at the price of yearly support, you see?
But it doesnt'matter. Next time I will find a better example.

[Phaedrus]

I dislike the idea that I purchased add ons that will now be obsolete, will my purchase of those add ons reflect in the pricing of the Suite license or will that be extra money just gone?

[defi]

Looks like I will be researching more into IPB.

[veenuisthebest]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

I dislike the idea that I purchased add ons that will now be obsolete, will my purchase of those add ons reflect in the pricing of the Suite license or will that be extra money just gone?

Maybe or maybe not. Nothing has been announced officially yet.

[wolfstream]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

I see the reasoning behind the bundling, and it really does make sense.

So, you're saying that you have no problem paying for something you're never going to use then?

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

As for price rises, correct me if I am wrong, but overall vB compares very favourably indeed with other commercial software in price/capability measures, and has kept price rises low. I will be looking forward to vB 4!

Historically, yes, vBulletin has been reasonable and kept very comparable. That was all before IB, however

Originally Posted by R1lover

If you buy windows 98, and then XP comes out, you don't get to upgrade for free do you?

Bad example, really. If you buy Win 98, and the sale states "all future versions of Windows will be free for 10 years", you get just that, Win 98 AND all future versions of Win. free for 10 years

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

I dislike the idea that I purchased add ons that will now be obsolete

As the owner of 2 forums with blog addons, I fully agree here 100%.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

will my purchase of those add ons reflect in the pricing of the Suite license or will that be extra money just gone?

It really is a wait and see on that one, just like the "will my current licenses actually be eligible for what I purchased them for" question is a wait and see. Honestly, here's my 0.02 on the matter, and my own experience:

I have VBA CMPS in the system already, so, I'm effectively screwed. vBulletin CMS is way too late, and , honestly, there's no way in hell you're going to get me to redo 50-100 pages of CMS data JUST to get to a blog. That's a bit horrific.

Of course, staying with 3.x is an option, temporarily that is. Eventually, 3.x will run out of gas, become vulnerable, then what? What option do I, the user have then?

Whomever thought up the idea of two products (one cms+all, one bare), and no addon modules clearly has no marketing or development experience. How do you justify telling your users "I'm sorry, but we no longer respect your purchase"? Huh??