PSD Attachment Same suggestion as last time.

[Shelley_c]

Marco, This is a graphic area, We need the PSD attachments allowed it only makes sense. I'm not buying into this whole "staff discussion thing". I'm simply askin for a simple 10 second trip to the admincp to allow psd attachments that most designers use as their source file when released here.

For once, Let bygones be bygones and just allow it. I don't see why it's such a problem, we as contributors put a lot of time into the graphic area so atleast allow us to work with the system instead of fighting against it.

Staff discussions are lengthy, I'm ready to release my submissions now not when staff are bothered to discuss this over 1 measly attachment file privilege to be allowed what should pass within a dedicated graphic area.

Just do the right thing and jump in the admincp and allow it, do it off your own back and use discretion on this one.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

It is not as simple as you descibe it. And yes it does need staff discussion, and yes that might take longer then a single day.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

Marco, This is a graphic area, We need the PSD attachments allowed it only makes sense. I'm not buying into this whole "staff discussion thing". I'm simply askin for a simple 10 second trip to the admincp to allow psd attachments that most designers use as their source file when released here.

For once, Let bygones be bygones and just allow it. I don't see why it's such a problem, we as contributors put a lot of time into the graphic area so atleast allow us to work with the system instead of fighting against it.

Staff discussions are lengthy, I'm ready to release my submissions now not when staff are bothered to discuss this over 1 measly attachment file privilege to be allowed what should pass within a dedicated graphic area.

Just do the right thing and jump in the admincp and allow it, do it off your own back and use discretion on this one.

We will discuss it, not be pressured by you.

When will you learn that posts like this simply harm you case as we lose interest fast.

[Shelley_c]

why bother replying to me? Why not simply just discuss it amongst staff. And let me point you to something. When have any of my suggestions ever been unsound? You'll be hard pushed to find even one. I make suggestions for the good of the area I show my dedication too and I also make suggestions to benefit the whole area. Am I pressuring you to make a decision? or asking that you use an ounce of common sense and discretion for something that is beneficial to us all.

the coders have the luxury of uploading xml files which is the vbulletin standard, I'm asking for the graphic standard in return. Don't make it personal, I'm simply asking for a little ounce of discretion shown here whether no matter how much it pains you to implement the suggestions i make.

I'd like this one to pass without the whole politics and usual outcome. I'm sure many of the graphic submitters would also. You have to start thinking of each area separately instead of collectivly because they are all different and require different features and such.

[Paul M]

Equally, why did you bother replying ? You could simply have waited for the answer.

JFYI, some of the points being discussed ;

XML files are not very large, psd files have the potential to be quite large, we dont want massive attachments.

psd files also need the end user to have the necessary software to open them, how many visitors to vb.org have such software ?

An (addmittedly) small change to our custom code will be needed as some functionality is based on file extensions.

[Shelley_c]

OKay that is fair enough paul, point taken. I replied because I need to get my point across.

Okay, sizes could be a problem, but I'll now point you to the styles area. Some of the zips are tremndous sizes, that argument would be valid if infact you had zips that were not so large in the styles submissions. I make this point because I don't think the staff who are no savy in graphics and graphic optimization can bring certain arguments to the plate, in the staff area. So, instead I'll make the point and bring it to you myself.

Have a limit on .psds? There's no harm in that and i wouldn't expect you to have extremely large files hosted here. This kind of debate can we worked out with the members instead of behind closed doors.

Secondly, Yes, not everyone has graphic editors but then noone has graphic editors to make any alterations to the styles and graphics submitted here. It's why we click that support button and help those without editors and such. And, because photoshop is the industry standard in it's area I'm betting 90% of editors support layered psds importing.

edit: Also, there are free graphic editors that allow psds for users to make alterations to the psds. Heck, if nobody had that option nooone would be submitting psds in styles archived here.

These are the points I bring to you that your staff cannot/will not or just unable too.

[Magnumutz]

Originally Posted by Paul M

psd files also need the end user to have the necessary software to open them, how many visitors to vb.org have such software ?

Then why bother downloading if they don't have photoshop?
It's not like we've got 12 year olds surfing.

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by Magnumutz

Then why bother downloading if they don't have photoshop?
It's not like we've got 12 year olds surfing.

That's exactly what I stated in the post above yours(I'm agreeing with you btw) . If the comment made is "not everyone has photoshop" then psds shouldn't be included within the styles submitted here. That's not the case nor an acceptable argument for not allowing PSDS. Even, if, the person didn't have photoshop then there are Free alternatives that allow psds to be imported into software. Secondly, it's the reason why I step in and try to press for this to be passed, the argument given is given by paul (no offense) but it shows your not graphic savy which is why members should be involved in giving their suggestions as well as their points in why certain implementations should be made because it shows that the argument against psds attachments not welcomed is not a strong one.

It's not about pressuring you, it's about having the right information at your feet and making a correct decision instead of stamping on a suggestion that is obviously beneficial. And to point out again, we have a support button that allows members to request for alterations if they are unable to make an altyeration via the psd. This is the only reason why a member will not use a psd is if they are not savy enough to do it and members here are all too happy to support them.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Thank you for your concerns, but we do have the expertise needed to make a balanced decission within our staff. If we would need advise on an area for which we do not have the expertise in our staff, we will consult people with more knowledge on the topic at hand.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Magnumutz

It's not like we've got 12 year olds surfing.

I think you will find we have 12 year olds, and even younger, running forums and visiting here.