Time To Speak Up?

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by hambil

These changes will take time. For one thing this is a high volume site, and creating complex hacks for it is more of a challenge than you might think. For another, adding more coders and staff will help, but as any project manager can tell you there is always a ramp up time after adding new staff to a project.

Give them a break, give them some time.

And to the staff: Closing and deleting threads can sometimes just fan the flames.

As said in the other thread, no one expects Rome to be built in a day, but im sure even Rome was more outspoken about updates then this.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

They haven't even finished setting up permissions yet or finished filling the teams. There has been nothing to really report. Why announce things before they are ready? A million posts requesting more information won't get it. Not even two weeks have gone by since the announcement of the new staff structure. Certainly that is not an unreasonable amount of time to start building teams. It requires reviewing potential members, talking with them and setting things up.

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The next part is GENERAL. It isn't directed to one person in particular, just to make that clear. Those causing the problems know who they are and they will know when they read it.

The ongoing behavior on this site suggest otherwise. It seems that all some people want to do is destroy this site and vBulletin and will do everything in your power to do so. You log into chatrooms and attack Jelsoft employees for fun. You do the same to the staff here for your own whims. All it does is contribute to a negative situation which people say they want to resolve. It isn't helping. All it does it make people defensive and quite literally develop a great dislike if not hatred for the people causing the problems.

Quite frankly, everytime people cause this crap I have to think hard on whether it would be simply easier to delete the whole site and start from scratch or simply allow commercial addons without the need for this site. However people do rely on the site for their own forums and it is a great resource. People need to stop causing problems simply to do so. It doesn't help anyone in the long run.

Really, you want the staff to be more forthcoming instead of armed to the teeth and sitting in their foxhole, then you need to extend a branch and drop the stupid schoolyard antics and petty fights. It is as simple as that. Sarcastic quips hurt and they are attacks and they should not be tolerated. Don't you remember what your parents taught you? It is probably the most important thing they taught you in your life...

TREAT OTHERS HOW YOU WISH TO BE TREATED.

Want to be treated badly then treat others badly. That is how it works. Want people to accept you and treat you with respect, then do so as well. The last few weeks on this site many have not had any respect but think they deserve it in return. It isn't going to happen. You will be treated like what you are, a spoiled customer who is more trouble than worth.

This isn't the way it has to be and you know it. You want change on the forums, the start it. Want to be treated differently, then start treating others differently. Bring what you want to the table and it will spread.

Wayne your a hypocrite.

Why would you treat anyone with such disregard as in your pm to me? I am sure I will be banned for posting this, but it has been forwarded to sooo many people by now that it doesn't matter....Everyone who is important will know the truth.

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

I know that all you like to do is cause problems and stir the shit so that you are in the middle of things. You already skate close to being banned everytime you post on this forum. You need to take that into consideration that they even let you stay a member here. Just because you own a vBulletin license, it doesn't give you a right to be a member of this community. It is a priviledge, one you haven't really earned.

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

Why would you treat anyone with such disregard as in your pm to me? I am sure I will be banned for posting this, but it has been forwarded to sooo many people by now that it doesn't matter....Everyone who is important will know the truth.

I am treating you with the same respect that you give me and all the staff here. Sorry but if the shoe fits. That is all I really have to say about the matter. At this point, I honestly don't care whether you like me or not or want to associate with me. Want to bring things out in the open, then so be it.

If you were truly indignant about my private message, then you would have kept it private instead of showing it proudly just to prove how persecuted you are. And the only reason your post was quoted is because the link added it for some reason and I forgot to delete it. The Private Message is about more than that one post, but your general attitude in general.

And yes, the cursing was out of line. I apologize for that. It is just very frustrating that whenever I get a little time to be with my wife, something is happening on this site that pulls me away. Now I have a pissed wife and am awaiting a very unpleasant evening.

[hambil]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

As said in the other thread, no one expects Rome to be built in a day, but im sure even Rome was more outspoken about updates then this.

It's difficult to know how much to share. You run the danger of 'design by committee', and I can promise you most of the people making suggestions will not be good enough to be doing so, and will only confuse the process. Then they will be angry they aren't being listened to.

The best thing the staff can probably do on a site like this is get together a timeline for major addition, and leave out the details. We'll see the details when the design is done, or the hack/change is implemented.

That's the way it has to be. As a professional coder I've been here many times. You cannot let everyone be invovled in the design, despite the fact that everyone thinks they should be and everyone thinks *their* ideas are great regardless of how much experience they actually have at site design or coding or business.

[smacklan]

While I haven't always agreed with you Wayne (I keep it to myself), I agree with you this time. I don't expect major changes or announcements until they are ready. I also think the people who are in control should have the latitude to operate the site in their timeframe and as they see fit. Good luck to everyone...hope we all get what we are looking for

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

I am treating you with the same respect that you give me and all the staff here. Sorry but if the shoe fits. That is all I really have to say about the matter. At this point, I honestly don't care whether you like me or not or want to associate with me. Want to bring things out in the open, then so be it.

If you were truly indignant about my private message, then you would have kept it private instead of showing it proudly just to prove how persecuted you are.

I have never used profanity in any message directed at any staff here Wayne. Matter of fact I have never messaged you at all. I speak with just about every staff member here on a personal basis so im unsure what you are referring to, but I know it isn't correct.

I didn't chose to make my TRUE feelings private, you did. I chose to make them unprivate. This is the internet and as any 12 year old has been warned by momma and daddy, whatever you put out there will be spread around with, or without your knowing.

Originally Posted by hambil

It's difficult to know how much to share. You run the danger of 'design by committee', and I can promise you most of the people making suggestions will not be good enough to be doing so, and will only confuse the process. Then they will be angry they aren't being listened to.

The best thing the staff can probably do on a site like this is get together a timeline for major addition, and leave out the details. We'll see the details when the design is done, or the hack/change is implemented.

That's the way it has to be. As a professional coder I've been here many times. You cannot let everyone be invovled in the design, despite the fact that everyone thinks they should be and everyone thinks *their* ideas are great regardless of how much experience they actually have at site design or coding or business.

Yes, but this website's success is based off it's userbase. It was the userbase's crys that prompted changes. So after 2 or 3 weeks it has been, an update would be expected. Last we heard was that they may or may not go with a paid script and may or may not utilize people here for coding projects revolving around the site.... After a while it is hard to tell rumor from fact.


Btw, all the staff jobs have been given out for now im sure.... It's ok to speak your mind.

[Kihon Kata]

I love: just like I love the org. I would die if you closed it.

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

Btw, all the staff jobs have been given out for now im sure.... It's ok to speak your mind.

I kind of felt the same. However, i'm sure he's just looking out for both sides, hopefully.

As far as the staff is concerned, how many positions are left? All cockiness surprised, i've had several people IM me and such asking me why i'm not on the staff or saying that they're surprised i'm not. Honestly, it's not a major deal, and probably won't benefit me much. However, i have pmed the admins letting them know that i am available if they need me.

What does it take to get approved by the way? To be honest, i think that the abilities of other members surpass the ones of some of those on the staff (no offense). I personally also think that Psionic should be in the coding team as well.

Either way doesn't bother me, but i'm just curious as to what made these people get chosen that didn't make others such as Psionic?

[Tim Skellett]

What I see here, as a totally non-involved member, is two posters going in for repetitive baiting.

What I want to know from you two is just how do you think your personal baiting is supposed to hurry things along or help in any way, as you obviously think so.

[Gio~Logist]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

What I see here, as a totally non-involved member, is two posters going in for repetitive baiting.

What I want to know from you two is just how do you think your personal baiting is supposed to hurry things along or help in any way, as you obviously think so.

Are you referring to me? Because i personally have no problem with anyone here.

[Logikos]

Round N round we go. Give them some time, 2 weeks isn't gonna change awhole lot. If you havn't noticed, every other day they are getting new members on staff, which means more features will come faster then before.