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[EasyTarget]

Originally Posted by noppid

If all those forums satisfy our needs, there is no reason for a private forum.

The private forum for people who have released modifications isn't a general forum for learning php, it isn't a general forum for helping modify vbulletin, its a forum for people who have released hacks here at .org to talk about whatever they want. If they happen to use it to discuss code, that's their choice.

Originally Posted by noppid

If those forums are good enough for your arguement, they are also good enough to argue against it.

What arguments are there against the forums which I listed? They are general forums for all licensed members to ask questions and learn about modifying vb. Everyone has equal access to them, is there something I'm missing?

Originally Posted by noppid

Why would you put yourself down like that? How could your reading something cause trouble?

That's just rediculous that this 1337 crowd now has people thinking they are not good enough. It's absurd!

He didn't put himself down, he said he wanted to learn how to code but that he didn't have time right now. He didn't say one word about people here on .org making him feel inferior or inadequate.. your twisting of his words is absurd.

[tgreer]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

What arguments are there against the forums which I listed? They are general forums for all licensed members to ask questions and learn about modifying vb. Everyone has equal access to them, is there something I'm missing?

<sigh> Ok, I'm going to assume you're generally curious/confused about this issue and want a real reply. Here's what's missing: the coders, the discussions. Why? Because they are in a private forum.

I tried on a couple of occasions to use the public forums. The threads went unanswered. I tried Google searches, found just the threads I needed. They pointed to the Coders Discussion forum, which by then had become private.

And that forum is specifically for coding discussions; it is NOT a general chitchat forum for modders. The rules for the forum state:

1. General posting rules must be followed in this forum. (link)
2. Please, stay on topic (coding for vBulletin and anything that goes along with it). In other words don't use this forum for general chit-chat threads. (emphasis mine)

The fact is, all those public forums COULD and SHOULD be used, by the vb.org coding community. But they aren't. The quality coding discussions are either held in the private forum, or, increasingly, on other sites entirely.

[EasyTarget]

Originally Posted by tgreer

<sigh> Ok, I'm going to assume you're generally curious/confused about this issue and want a real reply. Here's what's missing: the coders, the discussions. Why? Because they are in a private forum.

But didn't you say they've only been private for a few weeks? Haven't those forums been around for a long time? If the coders and discussions are missing it has nothing to do with a few week old private modification authors discussion.

I tried on a couple of occasions to use the public forums. The threads went unanswered. I tried Google searches, found just the threads I needed. They pointed to the Coders Discussion forum, which by then had become private.

Questions go unanswered in a coders own modification release thread. Giving everyone access to a private forum for people who have released modifications will just take away the little incentive that coders have to release their work. Giving coders some incentive, how little it may be, is a good thing.

I understand that you may be frustrated at the lack of responses or help for your coding needs, but trying to pinpoint the private forum for those who have released modifications as the source of it all isn't going to change that. If there's little discussion in those forums (the general public code discussion forums) right now then maybe you can set the example and start answering questions in them. If you keep at it then others will join in and soon the people you helped will be helping others as well. Modification authors should still have a forum where they can talk amongst themselves though.. to talk about whatever they want.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

But didn't you say they've only been private for a few weeks? Haven't those forums been around for a long time? If the coders and discussions are missing it has nothing to do with a few week old private coders discussion.

Threads go unanswered in a coders own modification release.. giving everyone access to a private forum for people who have released modifications will just take away the little incentive that coders have to release their work. Giving coders some incentive, how little it may be, is a good thing.

I understand that you may be frustrated at the lack of responses or help for your coding needs, but trying to pinpoint the private forum for those who have released modifications as the source of it all isn't going to change that. If there's little discussion in those forums right now then maybe you can set the example and start answering questions in them. If you keep at it then others will join in and soon the people you helped will be helping others as well. Modification authors should still have a forum where they can talk amongst themselves though.. to talk about whatever they want.

Are you kidding me? You have the audacity to tell another member/license holder to step up his game if he wants to play in the sandbox!?

This is supposed to be an open development enviorment so that can happen. Your reasoning is flawed to suggest that someone needs to learn elsewhere to be entitled to be in a private forum.

No one should have to lower themself to that as a means of access.

[EasyTarget]

Yes.. if you want answers, start giving them. Treat others how you want to be treated, bring some talent to the table if you want others to share theirs, pay it forward. How dare I!.

I didn't say anything that people had to learn elsewhere, I suggest they learn right here. If the public forums aren't being used to their potential then lets figure out a way to encourage their use (my suggestion was for people who know how to code to start using it, even if they're the only one) And just because someone knows how to code doesn't mean they can use the private forum, its only for those who have shared their coding knowledge in the form of a modification that can gain access to the modifications author forum.

You keep making their forum to be something its not.. Its not a forum to help answer questions from vblicense holders, its not a forum to give a resource to license holders to know how to modify their boards, its not a forum for learning. Its just what it is, a private forum for people who have released a modification. What they talk about there is up to them.

No one should have to lower themself to that as a means of access.

so requiring people to help others (charity) instead of letting them get something for nothing (greed/selfishness) is a bad thing? That's a characteristic we don't want?

[The Geek]

Bloody hell guys... Chill.

Coders forum.

Who cares? It used to NOT be there, now it is. Personally I think its useful for coders to discuss things relevant to them (i.e. hacking vB) that is not of use to the average member here. Hell, rename it to a contributer forum. Hell, for that matter make it public, I doubt you'll get many average users of the site posting in topics centered around data managers.

Regardless, who freaking cares? This thread is diluted with personal attacks/defenses and in the end, many (from both sides) come off looking pedantic.

The root of the problem is that those that give to the site feel unloved for the giving. This thread isn't going to change that. The actions implemented by admins lately will help to do that. Give them the time and space to see if it works. If not, give them the courtesy to try another angle.

And on that note - those whining that people should contribute because without this forum they wouldn't be able to write code. I say screw em. Actually lifting up the hood and spending the countless hours trying to figure out how to code and code for vB is something that should be celebrated. .org or vB is not 'owed' for that - persistence and patience and a willing to give is what's owed.
For those benefiting from that. Tell your coders 'Thanks'. For those expecting it, click here.

Just my odd thoughts on the situation.

[noppid]

New 3.6 code is out. Nuff said here.

[Freesteyelz]

Hehe. I think I'm way up there myself. Thank goodness for the testing board.

More than likely I'll wait for the release to become Gold.

[noppid]

Originally Posted by Freesteyelz

Hehe. I think I'm way up there myself. Thank goodness for the testing board.

More than likely I'll wait for the release to become Gold.

I'm probably waiting for gold to go live. No matter what version I install, I'll have 14 templates to deal with it seems. But it's nice to test and preview.

[Freesteyelz]

Yup. I'm looking forward to it myself.