Angry .Orgers

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by plubius

I am desperately trying to figure this issue out. I will ignore the above hate filled post for a sec.

The coders here are few, so I would like to address them as a singular body for the purposes of what I have to say. Coder, do you remember when you released your first FOC hack? Why did you do it? For the overall good of fellow VBers, for recognition, for an avenue to a later commercial product? Well, other than the last did you realise your goal?

As Steve Machol said most of us non-coders rarely modify our boards. The board costs a lot of money and comes really nice out of the box. When we use a hack we want it to do exactly what it says. Again, we are not coders, kudos to those that are, even more kudos to those who provide easy to understand installation instructions. When I can afford it I sometimes give them donations. Some months with all of my bills I only eat ramen and drink cheap Walmart cola. That is why the above post reminds me of why I left phpBB: the arrogant, rude and self important snits. I rarely seek support for hacks, I do not badger the hackers. I do think that obsolete or abandoned hacks should be removed to keep some newbie board owner from making a mess of their board.

From what I have seen most of the coders here have no problem releasing and supporting hacks FOC, it is the loud assed minority here who are raising the stink. VB.org allows coders to provide board owners FOC and it should stay that way. Were it to ever change, I am one of the many orgers that will just go quietly away.

Okay its people like you that are pissing me off here. You call us the minority when we were the ones who helped form this site. We work hard on our work. We are stepping things up to another level. We are no longer just able to spent the time on the stuff as we used to. We are making professional grade things and making things that some proble never expected to see. In my case im bringing some very high end commercial products that will be bigger then vbulletin itself.

You think that just becuase you dont badger us that means everybody else doesnt. vb.org is growing the community is changing. It is getting harder then ever to support hacks becuase there is more of a demand. We have more people that dont know what there doing that can break even some of the most simple things at time and we work to help them yet it eats at more and more of our time. Without being able to released our paid mods here our foc ones may cease to exist as time goes on.

I have said this many times. By releasing my paid mods and selling them it helps to support my foc ones. Since im not stuck spending as much time doing custom project developement.

Originally Posted by immortal21

Commercial products == you get what you pay for.
Free products == you get what you download.

You have to pay microsoft when you buy windows os.
You have to pay software companies when you buy software.
It's a continous chain event.

Now I know that people crack software and release it for the public to download for free and that's the software vendor's fault. I remember one application which took over a year to crack but i can't remember what it was.

As for my product it is encoded with Ioncube with a backup license system.
IonCube has never and in my opinion won't be cracked for a long long time.
Heck, the white house uses it.

As far as I see things in difference between free and commercial, is support, updates, and size. Yes size is a huge difference, my addon filesize is larger than vbulletin and vbadvanced put togeather, it's huge.

This was to a post from page 9 or 10 can't remember but oh well.

Oh and vBSEO, very well put, my thoughts exactly.

FASherman also very well put.
I can see .org growing beyond what their eyes can see, and that's not an attack or anything personal, but can't you see the potential?

I agree with you somewhat. I dont feel that the full thing should be encoded. Doing that destroys the development community. Becuase huge addons always have alot of room to have their own addons.

I know my very huge commercial things will be most unencoded but will have some of the core stuff that will be needed for it to work that wont ever need to be changed by hackers encoded with liscense check systems and a few other things.

That way they cant simple just remove the encoded part becuase it will kill the system. Im planning a pretty high tech security system for my products.

Reason im investing all this time to have my stuff so that it can be modified is becuase of the fact that my modifications will be so big they will have addons and possible even addons for the addons.