What do you think about Vbulletin vs Xenforo?

[katie hunter]

What i think is that they are a bunch of bullies, what i think is that they are unprofessional and a bunch of liars.

Today my name was mentioned by one of their Staff Brogan who tend to stalk these XF topics on VB, they are extremely insecure, and i tried to reply to his false statement and my comments were all moderated, they have restricted my account.

I can't reply to any of my friends on XF or pm them, or reply to any topic. They placed all my comments in moderation. I made a new account to open a topic in their suggestion section regarding who did this to my account and for them to change this absurd restriction and they banned that alt account right away (so you can't contact them and you can't point their wrongdoing publicly)

http://i.imgur.com/TJGpqQY.png

You guys from XF tend to come here, steal few VB members by hijacking topics and mentioning XF almost at least once a month on VBulletin. Then what we see is that few VB customers come and ask question about XF on their forum then you all run toward them trying to convince them that XF is better than VB like some hungry people.

At this point it is disgusting. Just look at yourself and the 5 pages respond trying to persuade and convince a 1 member to switch from VB to Xenforo. And that member noticed XF through threads made on VB.org in the first place.

Is this the sort of company you want to support? The one which censor accounts anonymously, they are breaching their own TOS because i did not see anything there about censoring accounts and altering their posting permissions. I have here a valid reply from XF Staff dated in Dec 9, 2013 stating what they have done in the past and ceased doing, it is part of their personality to bash others.



I think it is time to wake up and see the reality and the true faces, no one is perfect. And if you're going to support a company or someone, at least support the good ones, not the one who tend to censor and bully.

[Gemma]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

What i think is that they are a bunch of bullies, what i think is that they are unprofessional and a bunch of liars.

Today my name was mentioned by one of their Staff Brogan who tend to stalk these XF topics on VB, they are extremely insecure, and i tried to reply to his false statement and my comments were all moderated, they have restricted my account.

I can't reply to any of my friends on XF or pm them, or reply to any topic. They placed all my comments in moderation. I made a new account to open a topic in their suggestion section regarding who did this to my account and for them to change this absurd restriction and they banned that alt account right away (so you can't contact them and you can't point their wrongdoing publicly)

http://i.imgur.com/TJGpqQY.png

You guys from XF tend to come here, steal few VB members by hijacking topics and mentioning XF almost at least once a month on VBulletin. Then what we see is that few VB customers come and ask question about XF on their forum then you all run toward them trying to convince them that XF is better than VB like some hungry people.

At this point it is disgusting. Just look at yourself and the 5 pages respond trying to persuade and convince a 1 member to switch from VB to Xenforo. And that member noticed XF through threads made on VB.org in the first place.

Is this the sort of company you want to support? The one which censor accounts anonymously, they are breaching their own TOS because i did not see anything there about censoring accounts and altering their posting permissions. I have here a valid reply from XF Staff dated in Dec 9, 2013 stating what they have done in the past and ceased doing, it is part of their personality to bash others.



I think it is time to wake up and see the reality and the true faces, no one is perfect. And if you're going to support a company or someone, at least support the good ones, not the one who tend to censor and bully.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time? How many threads are you going to post in sounding like the same broken record. Give it a rest!

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by Gemma

Don't you have anything better to do with your time? How many threads are you going to post in sounding like the same broken record. Give it a rest!

I want everyone to look at replies like these from a XF member ^ they will come in here to turn threads like these into a fight to get it locked while doing as they please on their XF forum in term of bashing. This is the reality and we've matured beyond this point. Their strategy is getting old. They are extremely insecure and hypocrites.

So people like him/her, I tend to ignore. They are used to Bashing, not addressing issues and used to sugar coating. They don't even feel ashamed of supporting wrongdoings. What can they say when the truth is in front of their faces ? Probably nothing much.



If XF members wants to bash, keep this garbage on XF and in your "Off Topic" forum section to bash all you want, just like you keep doing and did in the past, and don't bring it on VB. VB members do not start bashing, it is always those from XF who come here, bash and leave later.

[socialteenz]

Xenforo doesn't support troll/spam on their board.

[Gemma]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

You guys from XF tend to come here, steal few VB members by hijacking topics and mentioning XF almost at least once a month on VBulletin. Then what we see is that few VB customers come and ask question about XF on their forum then you all run toward them trying to convince them that XF is better than VB like some hungry people.

Seriously, remind me again just what planet you come from?

vBulletin.org used to be a fun place to visit, sadly people like you bring it down a notch or two.

[Barcham]

Originally Posted by socialteenz

Xenforo doesn't support troll/spam on their board.

Not quite. They don't support people trashing XF on their board but you are free to trash any other software that you want. The way their forum is run was one of the reasons I decided to go with VB. It reminded me too much of a situation I had just left where there was one board always trashing us while our board prohibited all mention of them on ours.

It's always easier to trash another person or board or program when you can control the responses. It's quite obvious what they do over there and it is very sad.

[TheLastSuperman]

I never once saw Kier (one of the xenforo founders) be an arse to anyone so I know it's not him doing it and we should not judge a software and their business ethics based on the mistakes of one or more staff members (unless its simply unforgivable, use your imagination I'm speaking of a worst case scenario etc) and I never knew Mike that well so I can't say one way or the other about him.

So ladies and gents how about we just leave out the moderation of posts and compare the actual software to each other not the actions of people, having posts moderated or deleted is something no one likes not even me but such is life. No matter what you pretty much have freedom of speech on the ORG so long as it's within the correct forum and related to the topic (ohh and me personally I just hate seeing some of you be mean to each other, uncalled for at best) .

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Gemma

Seriously, remind me again just what planet you come from?

vBulletin.org used to be a fun place to visit, sadly people like you bring it down a notch or two.

Sorry Gemma but this is just nonsense.

You may not agree with Katie (neither do I particularly) but she is perfectly entitled to her views.
To claim someone brings a site "down a notch or two" because they have differing views to you is just wrong.

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman

I never once saw Kier (one of the xenforo founders) be an arse to anyone so I know it's not him doing it and we should not judge a software and their business ethics based on the mistakes of one or more staff members (unless its simply unforgivable, use your imagination I'm speaking of a worst case scenario etc) and I never knew Mike that well so I can't say one way or the other about him.

So ladies and gents how about we just leave out the moderation of posts and compare the actual software to each other not the actions of people, having posts moderated or deleted is something no one likes not even me but such is life. No matter what you pretty much have freedom of speech on the ORG so long as it's within the correct forum and related to the topic (ohh and me personally I just hate seeing some of you be mean to each other, uncalled for at best) .

Mike, i have an open ticket with Xenforo and as of now this restriction was not addressed, nor lifted, nor an apology was rendered, despite asking for my ticket to be forwarded to a higher up management either Mike or Kier. As for the bashing, it doesn't have to be Kier himself doing it personally, they extensively allow it and are aware of it and never denied it, especially against VB, and XF Staff/moderators allow it like Jeremy and Brogan, they talk about VB all the time especially in their "Pre-Sales Question" and "Off Topic" sections.

I haven't posted on XF for quite few month since Dec 2013 but i don't expect Brogan a staff from XF to talk about me and saying lies and when i tended to reply properly, my comments are all moderated and deleted, not even approved and shown visible and Jeremy backed Brogan saying in a ticket.

"Upon review, the post by Brogan is neither insulting nor bullying, and is in line with our rules."

So their entire management system is based upon censoring and sugar coating. Still pending to see a proper respond from Mike or Kier and i doubt they care to address customer satisfaction, actually Mike told me this in the past :

If you do not find this or any of our rules acceptable, I can only suggest that you do not post on the XenForo.com forums.

and changed his tone later to this

you are welcome to return to the forums and continue posting.

I never experienced this sort of respond in tickets from a Vbulletin staff or management. That is the difference. Sure i want to see VB advances better and want to see nice social features and disappointed with VB5 but i also pay attention to customer satisfaction and how company's staff respond via tickets.

In any ways, enough is enough seeing XF members turning each topic into a fight on VB while doing as they please over there. It is time that we address features as adults and see the difference and what we can do for VB to become better, i believe with time, it will be better. I think what VB needs is more attention from IB management and for more new Web developers and Web designers to join the VB team with new ideas, a vision, and innovation to help with the work load.

[TheLastSuperman]

Let them talk Katie, if they do spend time bad mouthing others that's fine I'm doing my job here and working on things today I have a family and a business to run proper not goof off... If they continue to do so then it will be apparent, from what others have also stated it already is, if true then that is all on them my friend however if we continue to sit around and talk about it too then we are no better honestly.

Karma - It's real, nuff' said.