Can we talk politics?

[Ncturnal]

Originally Posted by Brad

But if we leave now what kind of example does that set for the rest of the world? We screwed up badly by going in like we did but we can still "do good" by staying and helping the Iraqi people sort out this mess.

• What kind of example did we set when we overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953?
• What kind of example did we set when we radicalized Osama bin Laden against the Soviets in the 80s?
• What kind of example did we set when we installed Saddam Hussein into power (whom everyone has already admitted was bad)?
• What kind of example do we set when we play and fund every side in our Middle East foreign policy?

While I can appreciate the argument you make, I think we're a we should should have started worrying about the example we set 60 years ago.

If we leave now and never return who knows what may happen (good or bad). Either way the Iraqi people can use our help, and we owe at least that to them. No one is saying the USA must go it a lone either...if any other country (or the UN) want to help in this rebuilding effort I welcome that help.

Is it really any surprise why no one is helping us in Iraq? Perhaps everyone else knows it was wrong?

Originally Posted by smacklan

Well, who's welfare should we, as a nation, put first? Let's see...I vote OURS! Unfortunately we have politicians running the show. In order to reach the level of running for president, you have sold your soul in some form or fashion to some interest or interests. I have no use for any of them. The one thing about government and those in power in it...they will never cede their power or allow the shrinking of government...regardless of how well packaged their message is. I like to consider myself a caring conservative with libertarian tendencies. I'm personally of the opinion there will come a time in this country where the common man will need to revolt against the system to take this country back from the politicians otherwise we will destroy ourselves...we don't need islamo-facism to do it to us.

While you are completely right in your assessment, Ron's voting record proves there is at least one exception to the rule, and for that reason alone I will do everything to support the only honest candidate in the Presidential race. His message isn't talk. He practices what he preaches, votes accordingly, and has done so for years.