Site disappeared from google, But I have no idea why - help!

[ChrisLM2001]

Originally Posted by MarkPW

Do you honestly believe I would question your argument without any experience or evidence?

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...%21#post859672

Check the date as well.

When I say I don't do any SEO, it means n-o-t-h-i-n-g. But it still gets indexed, and not at the bottom of the list, either.

[MarkPW]

I never said not doing any SEO will NOT get you indexed. Of course you will get indexed, but all search engine spiders depend on keywords to find your site, as do search engine users. If haven't targeted specific keywords and your content makes no reference to keywords people are searching for then your site will not be found.

You contradict yourself when you say, "Keywords really don't matter with Google" and "Content is all that it cared about". What in your content allows Google to find you if there are no references to the keywords people search you for?

Regarding your post on vbulletin.com, you are talking about 87 search results which is nothing. I've achieved #1 for myself and many clients for keywords that return upwards of 200 million results. This hasn't been achieved with keyword targeting alone, but it has played a vital part.

[ChrisLM2001]

Originally Posted by MarkPW

all search engine spiders depend on keywords to find your site, as do search engine users.

Actually, no. I had spiders on my sites before I even had a chance to setup shop.

Originally Posted by MarkPW

What in your content allows Google to find you if there are no references to the keywords people search you for?

30 years of Illustration work, and knowing what layouts can provoke the intended reactions.

Content, content, content!

Originally Posted by MarkPW

Regarding your post on vbulletin.com, you are talking about 87 search results which is nothing. I've achieved #1 for myself and many clients for keywords that return upwards of 200 million results. This hasn't been achieved with keyword targeting alone, but it has played a vital part.

Point is, I did absolutely nothing to get indexed. 87, is pretty darn good. Even got page rank of #2 in the process.

You're trying very hard to justify SEO, but as my case proves, you can get your site indexed, ranked and have visitors over it all -- without putting one keyword in a metatag (or any SEO tomfoolery tricks).

[MarkPW]

Originally Posted by ChrisLM2001

Actually, no. I had spiders on my sites before I even had a chance to setup shop.

That's because your URL was discovered (unless you submitted manually), therefore Google and other search engines are inclined to index it.

Point is, I did absolutely nothing to get indexed. 87, is pretty darn good. Even got page rank of #2 in the process.

Just because you don't have any content on your site does not mean you will not be indexed. To give you just one example of this; one of the websites I registered for my business is merely a "coming soon..." image, yet it is indexed and ranked at #1 out of 400 sites. The site has remained like that for about 2 years, the only content (just one keyword - my business name) being in the form of a title and domain name. It certainly has nothing to do with content, because there is none. If I made no reference to the keyword through domain name, title or otherwise, I'd be indexed, but I wouldn't be found for this keyword at all.

30 years of Illustration work, and knowing what layouts can provoke the intended reactions.

Content, content, content!

If you had said 30 years building business around SERPs, then you would have a credible argument. For several years I've experimented, researched and built businesses that have depended on above the fold rankings to be successful.

You're trying very hard to justify SEO, but as my case proves, you can get your site indexed, ranked and have visitors over it all -- without putting one keyword in a metatag (or any SEO tomfoolery tricks).

I'm not trying to justify SEO. I already know carefully researched and planned SEO works whether you choose to accept it does or not. I was merely interested in how you've come to the conclusion that keywords don't count. All you have managed to highlight is that you can achieve a decent rank in all of 87 without SEO or keyword targeting.
Try targeting any competitive keyword using your technique and see how successful you are.

have visitors over it all

The question is, how many do you want?

[ChrisLM2001]

Originally Posted by MarkPW

That's because your URL was discovered (unless you submitted manually), therefore Google and other search engines are inclined to index it.

Read that thread -- I did nothing. I was just setting up the server, and tweaking vBulletin and got swamped by Yahoo. Think it was 4 to 6hrs from the time I first installed vB.

Originally Posted by MarkPW

Just because you don't have any content on your site does not mean you will not be indexed.

My sites always have content (which is how it's indexed and crawled without keywords).

Originally Posted by MarkPW

To give you just one example of this; one of the websites I registered for my business is merely a "coming soon..." image, yet it is indexed and ranked at #1 out of 400 sites. The site has remained like that for about 2 years

Yeah, site age has a main factor in it with Google (for now). I get more hits from a website I let sit for a year, than the active blog I post upon now (even though it has the traffic).

It used to be Yahoo indexed everything, where now it's Google (for blogs, they sure like Technorati!).

Originally Posted by MarkPW

the only content (just one keyword - my business name) being in the form of a title and domain name. It certainly has nothing to do with content, because there is none. If I made no reference to the keyword through domain name, title or otherwise, I'd be indexed, but I wouldn't be found for this keyword at all.

I picked a domain name, that at the time, didn't know it was an actual game term (heck, the same with my other domain name -- just learned the initials is a common term too). Just went through the Merriam-Webster's dictionary looking up words to describe my site, and merged two together. Only after it was indexed did I learn it's day-to-day meaning, and last time I checked, was #1 (even above the creator's site).

Not selling that domain even for $25k.

Originally Posted by MarkPW

If you had said 30 years building business around SERPs, then you would have a credible argument. For several years I've experimented, researched and built businesses that have depended on above the fold rankings to be successful.

SEO is a scam, Mark. Much like those credit repair businesses. No amount of meta whatever will substitute for pure content. Put lipstick on a pig, it's still going to be a pig. SEO is about marketer marketing themselves, and hiding the choice data for themselves to justify their existence (or to sell books and services). That's how that business operates.

When it's about money, you know darn well you're not going to give out the real goods. If that was so, 300,000,000 Americans today will be billionaires.

Originally Posted by MarkPW

I'm not trying to justify SEO. I already know carefully researched and planned SEO works whether you choose to accept it does or not.

Yes you are, since there's $$$$ involved. Otherwise, this topic would've long been over.

[MarkPW]

Originally Posted by ChrisLM2001

Read that thread -- I did nothing. I was just setting up the server, and tweaking vBulletin and got swamped by Yahoo. Think it was 4 to 6hrs from the time I first installed vB.

The point you made was that you used no keywords, yet you still got indexed. Just because you haven't "set up shop", have no keywords or have no general content, doesn't mean you will not get indexed. Where have I alleged that you must use keywords to get indexed?

My sites always have content (which is how it's indexed and crawled without keywords).

You are completely missing the connection between content and the keywords within it. Content contains keywords. If you run a football site and make no reference to football within your content, then you will not be found when a user searches "football" or variations of it.

Content is not why you are indexed and crawled. Every site that search engines find, whether they contain any content or not, are added to their index and crawled every now and again to check for updates, as is the case with the many websites/domains I own with holding pages, but no content.

Yeah, site age has a main factor in it with Google (for now). I get more hits from a website I let sit for a year, than the active blog I post upon now (even though it has the traffic).

To further the example in my previous post, I own mykeyword.co.uk and mykeywordsolutions.com, the latter of which is 2 years older than the co.uk. When I search "mykeyword", the co.uk comes #1; bear in mind it only makes reference to "mykeyword" in the domain name and title. However, my .com of which does have content, sits at #10. If site age is such a vital factor, then why are these sites not placed the other way around?

SEO is a scam, Mark...SEO is about marketer marketing themselves, and hiding the choice data for themselves to justify their existence (or to sell books and services). That's how that business operates.

That's an extremely myopic and ill-thought-out generalisation. Quality content is #1 for me - there's nothing better that creating stuff that people want - but no search engine can interpret content the same way as a human can. For this reason, I find it essential to carefully target the content towards the keywords I want people to find me for - there's nothing wrong or unethical about that.

Yes you are, since there's $$$$ involved. Otherwise, this topic would've long been over.

If I was that interested in money, I wouldn't be wasting my time debating this topic with you. Judging by how little you take in and your failure/refusal to acknowledge that their are acceptable and ethical methods of SEO, that do work, it's probably sensible to end the discussion here.