VBseo?? Anybody using them? Or any other SEO company?

One of my sites, http://greatlakes4x4.com is growing extremely fast, 1.3 years old, close to 500,000 posts now. But I'm having some problems.

I suck at SEO. And the site goes between being google rank 2 and 3 depending on what day I look. My "competitors" websites that are not near as busy seem to appear much higher for most search words. I want every edge possible in the search engines.

Are VBSEO and the others a marketing scam, or do they really yield results?

[FreshFroot]

If you read their threads, they are looking into it and they are aware members want this type of feature. It's only a matter of time before the vB team applys it. If they do, you guys basically wasted $149 on vBSEO.

As for the prerelease team... same thing. If you don't support them your going to get kicked off the team. I've seen a few of you guys at other forums, posting the same crap about how good vBSEO is, untill we go onto vbSEO and find out you all are somehow affliated with vBSEO.

People don't have to read my text here, they can look around for themselves. I'm not the only that thinks vBSEO is a waste of money. Go to many of the top big name forums, tons of people will agree. I've noticed the ones that ARE with vBSEO, tend to somehow be affliated with them.

EDIT: as I cans ee on your sites, you basically promote their product everywhere, hoping some dumb user will click on it, buy it and get you a free vBSEO as well. It's people like you that mislead others. I'd like to see your look when you realise all that money you stole and used on vBSEO comes to a waste, when vB develops something that's included in the actual price.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by FreshFroot

If you read their threads, they are looking into it and they are aware members want this type of feature. It's only a matter of time before the vB team applys it. If they do, you guys basically wasted $149 on vBSEO.

4.0 Development has already started and mod_rewrite is not going to appear in it.

As for the prerelease team... same thing. If you don't support them your going to get kicked off the team. I've seen a few of you guys at other forums, posting the same crap about how good vBSEO is, untill we go onto vbSEO and find out you all are somehow affliated with vBSEO.

Please just shut up. You have no idea what you are talking about and trying to peg me as being held down by VBSEO is the most ridiculous shit I have heard today. This thread is getting absolutely ridiculous now that you decided to show up. VBSEO has never told me how to respond to any thread about their software and they never will. If you bother to read any of my posts no one tells me how to think including some guy on vb.org that has never used the software he is knocking.

People don't have to read my text here, they can look around for themselves. I'm not the only that thinks vBSEO is a waste of money. Go to many of the top big name forums, tons of people will agree. I've noticed the ones that ARE with vBSEO, tend to somehow be affliated with them.

I can give you a list of people who run VBSEO on boards that are probably 20x as big as any forum you run and have no affiliation with VBSEO. So again with this crap about you finding people who don't like it. I can find just as many that love it.

EDIT: as I cans ee on your sites, you basically promote their product everywhere, hoping some dumb user will click on it, buy it and get you a free vBSEO as well.

How many times are you going to run your mouth in this thread about shit you don't understand? I don't get a free VBSEO license. It's affiliate sales. I get a small percentage of the sale if someone buys via my affiliate id. I don't push it on anyone and honestly I could careless if someone uses my id. I don't make much money via VBSEO affiliate sales and it really isn't a big deal to me. If someone clicks on that advertisement they are interested in it and unless they are a complete moron they realize it is an advertisement.

It's people like you that mislead others. I'd like to see your look when you realise all that money you stole and used on vBSEO comes to a waste, when vB develops something that's included in the actual price.

Can a mod please close this thread now. I am not going to be accused of stealing any money or have this ass clown continue to talk about shit that he doesn't understand. It is clear to anyone with common sense reading this thread who the informed are and who are just talking out of their ass.

[Adrian Schneider]

#1 Joe Ward spams every forum that talks about vBSEO and basically talks about HOW good it is.. even when people ask him questions, he will never directly answer questions and float off them.

Tell me, who would know more about the actual software? Some guy who's playing around with words, duping you for your hard earned $149 or people who ACTUALLY created the original software....

I would say someone like Joe does, which is why he "spams every forum that talks about vBSEO". Though, I suppose it's better if only people who don't know about the software talk about it. You know, so it's all facts.

#3 Why would you pay for a product, rather a 3rd! Party product that costs as much as the actual product it self. I could spend that $149 and get another vBulletin board instead.

Building communities. I would rather get more traffic on my existing board than pay the same amount to get a new board and start from scratch.

#4 Why do they have to hide their code? Do you all feel comfortable with that? How do you know what kind of data they access from you?

Are you a programmer? Do you know how much money and time you lose fighting piracy? If you did, you would understand that. Plus, their method was quite unique at the time, and they wanted to protect that. There is nothing wrong with encrypted software. In fact, the majority of software is NOT visible source.

#5 The staff over at vB com also recomend NOT TO BUY vBSEO.

If what you say about them probably putting it into the software later is true, I think you just answered your question. They might even release it as an add-on. You know, put down the competition so you can make more money yourself. Common sense. The other aspect is support. It's not fun supporting a product where the problems are coming from other software. But, they just need to firm up on their "disable all hacks first" support policy.

People are better off taking a chance with Zoints, atleast they have nothing to lose.

Yeah. Zoints. Zoints was sold. Not only that, but the hack was unsupported. As already mentioned, even the owner (at the time) of Zoints was using vBSEO. lol

I have a feeling in vB 4.0 we will see all enhancements of vBSEO in it. So the people who haven't bought it, SAVE YOUR MONEY. They will include a better enhanced SEO in the next release.

Great! But, while I'm still young I would prefer to have something NOW. Getting your pages indexed and ranking high is sort of like compound interest. The longer your site is up, the more backlinks you get, the more referrals you get. The longer you put something like this off, the less it will help you. For some of us, time is money. Paying $150 is a few hours work. If your site makes any money, then it's an investment, and one that you will most likely make back very soon. And if it isn't, then you don't need the software anyway.

If you guys bought it, you guys are slow in the head. You just lost out on over $149 spent on those licence. Wait till your jaws drop down, when vB releases something quite similar. Then that money will have gone down the drain and you'll be stuck with useless products.

You seem to be missing a key point here. THEY ARE HAPPY WITH THE SOFTWARE. While you are laughing at them, they are laughing at you. If it works for you, great. If not, you could probably try to get a refund. Calling thousands of users here "stupid and blind" isn't a very good idea. I think they probably feel the same about you.

People don't have to read my text here, they can look around for themselves. I'm not the only that thinks vBSEO is a waste of money. Go to many of the top big name forums, tons of people will agree. I've noticed the ones that ARE with vBSEO, tend to somehow be affiliated with them.

Yes, all 5 thousand of them are Crawlability employees / affiliates.


I find myself neutral in these discussions. While I agree that it's impossible to 100% prove that vBSEO works, after installing it I did notice improvements in my search engine rankings and referrals. I don't like the way they do business, but I have nothing against the product. However, I think most of your points have been silly, and that's why you notice (in this thread) that everyone is disagreeing with you and the name calling has begun.

Even if people promote vBSEO here, they will not receive affiliate sales from it. I haven't seen anyone in this thread say "PS, if you buy it, use this affiliate link!". They are trying to help, and are advising based on their results. There is nothing wrong with that. You know, that was the whole point of this thread.

[FreshFroot]

I'm just warning users for the future. If you want to go ahead and buy it, sure go right ahead. Just don't cry about it after, when you realize the money you spent didn't benefit you. BTW, you can't get a refund, I've talked to JWard and he basically said, too bad. If it doesn't work for you, it's not my fault.

I don't mind him spaming topics about the product, but when a users ASKS for the downside of it and he comes in saying buy it! look! it bought ONE guy a BMW.. it;s the greatest product in the world.. that just wrecks it. I mean come on, the guy is asking people for the downside of the product, before he wants to buy it and you have guys like Jward spaming it.

The way you have to look at it is, HOW much will it effect your forum by. If it does just a little bit of help, then whats the point? WOW!! one guy made enough for a BMW, I don't see others with a new car? Heck, how do we know he even made that much? There is no way he cna prove it.

That is the problem with the product, there is no guarantee if it will work or not. If there was a guarantee, people would buy it for sure. Also, what happens when almost every board uses vBSEO? We all can't be the top rated sites on google...

SO what are you saying? buy vBSEO and we will ALL be the top guys on google? Just because one guy profitted off this product doesn't mean EVERYONE will.. and at the price vBSEO is at, I doubt many people get a chance to try it.. or want to try it.

Heck, I don't think any other 3rd party product even costs as much as vBSEO.

Also, I don't really need to say anything else. If members view the links I posted above that lead the vbulletin.com, they can read comments by ALL staff and many "non" affliated vBSEO people.

[calorie]

Another closed vBSEO related thread... sigh.

[kall]

Originally Posted by FreshFroot

I'm just warning users for the future. If you want to go ahead and buy it, sure go right ahead. Just don't cry about it after, when you realize the money you spent didn't benefit you. BTW, you can't get a refund, I've talked to JWard and he basically said, too bad. If it doesn't work for you, it's not my fault.

Again, incorrect. If the software will not install or operate normally on your forum, a refund is most definitely possible.

Also, I don't really need to say anything else.

Great.