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Old 03-07-2014, 05:49 PM
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It is because they didn't test XF enough in term of starting to criticize some of their lack of features, XF founders played with VBulletin members' emotions and anger toward VB 5.x, while ceasing a good opportunity.

1. VB 4.x had issues while later 5.x was not a good release at all with many problems.

2. VB ex developers Kier and Mike left VB after like 9 years and went on making Xenforo and claimed that it is better than VB and creating a forum software the right way.

3. Many Vb members were angry and let down by IB changes and bad management and others looked toward a new hope.

4. Kier and Mike knew that this is their opportunity, they wouldn't need to invest in marketing Xenforo because through working with VB, they made so many fans already and would have followers, so why not just use this chance to enter the forum market.

5. IB saw that what they did is wrong and hurting their sales and initiated a litigation against XF with an x amount of claims. Kier and Mike should have expected this.

6. XF kept their members bashing VB and IB, especially VB 5.x while Mike and Kier kept posting several time about the lawsuit and updated their members with how the court ruled in each motion and how some claims were dismissed while others were not. Later let their moderators update the lawsuit progress, as if everyone know about how the court proceeding is and how discovery works, pretrial preparation and so on.

Vb never has done that, although they could have as well. You have one community such as XF who loved to bash while another like VB who didn't allow it. It is unprofessional especially when you are selling a product.



I remember this huge sticky topic on XF about each and every ruling the court made wherein some were not in favor of XF and it made XF members even questioning how the judge presiding over the case was not fair to XF.

7. Case was settled, although the term of settlement were not revealed and that is usually the standard of any settlement but to date XF haven't stopped from bashing VB to gain new sales. They will run toward any VB customer and try to convenience him or her how wonderful XF is while bashing Vb, especially VB 5.x

They will also claim that it is cheaper but by the time a customer buys XF, he will find himself investing into many addons that are already core default features of vb 4.x and will probably spend anywhere form $400 to $800 just to have all his needed addons in.

Many looked at this from a factual eye and accesses true facts while others simply join the bandwagons.

That is why i shared what XF is all about, do you love to be censored just for stating your opinion about XF? I don't think so.

XF founders have no shame in denying it nor fixed their wrongdoing, they believe in "Lets get rid of those criticizing XF so we can grow better" They didn't think about well we have a member of XF who join Xenforo several years ago and she has a certain view that we should address, respect, and listen to. No, instead, lets bash her, and later restrict her profile so she can't post ; lets censor her and let our staff state lies when a VB topic is brought up http://i.imgur.com/TJGpqQY.png

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....6&postcount=21
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....1&postcount=56

It is wrong to do that. It is wrong to censor critics and it is wrong to allow XF staff to lie and bully members who they might not like. Ashley one of XF Founders, said it is not bully and that XF staff has the right to address a member of the community.

What bully is to find that a member's comments are censored through moderation and deleted later so it doesn't appear publicly, while allowing a XF Staff to spread lie for the sake of sales for XF http://i.imgur.com/TJGpqQY.png



It is surprising that these same XF Staff and founders where whining and appealing to us for almost 2 years that they were always the good guys and the ones who were prejudiced and better than VB and many were drawn into this drama that should have stayed private from the start.

XF was certainly arrogant and lacked good principles, and clearly didn't think about my contribution in the past and only looks at sales # by saying "ok this member didn't buy XF yet, she i no good for us because she criticized XF" the correct path should have been "We've made a mistake by restricting her profile, we should alter this action and allow her to post without moderation because we see that she is interested in XF and might a year later buy it and bring yet another big community to appreciate our product"

It is my choice to wait and see how XF will change, just like it is my choice for waiting to see how VB 5.x will change later.

I won't blindly support XF without seeing that they improve and listen to members' feedback, another major issue which came up, they actually don't listen to your views, they have a very conservative view and path.

You don't believe me? here is Kier's view http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=78018

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vBulletin was born of an age when having more options and more data displayed was a desirable thing. People wanted to be able to control minute details of the way they interacted with a forum - or so we thought.

XenForo is a product that debuts with decades of experience already under its developers' belts, and perhaps a degree more maturity in outlook. Our focus with XenForo is on providing a superior user experience rather than piling on new features. We are more of the opinion now that if we believe there is a right or optimal way to do something, we will just do that, rather than providing options to allow people to do it another way.
Don't you find this vision absurd ? They say they want to provide superior user exp but which lacked in features. Read between the lines and look at what XF did actually, using redactor editor instead of CKeditor. Lacks many of VB default features in the admin panel while giving you a simple system that just does the job without proper control.

Did you actually know that when you soft delete a thread using XF, your staff can't search that thread, it gets deleted from their search engine core whereas in VB you can search for any threads even the soft deleted topics. There are many features and things that XF lacked and they aren't bringing anything new either and they won't.

They are there for business $$, they aren't there to provide you with a better experience.

What i am personally looking for is a company with a unique vision and goals to make the forum market a better place by offering key features which provides a better sharing and communication experience. This is what i am looking for, innovations and new ideas, it is 2014 not 2005. Web developing and Web design is advancing and interactive web design is becoming popular every day.

http://vimeo.com/71187136 I want to see VB moving toward a unique approach. Mike and Kier aren't doing that, they are doing another VB version done their way.

I personally have hopes for VB and only days can prove it. It needs some time and we don't know if IB management will change now or later but certainly no one who invest in a business would love to see it sink. People invest in businesses and buy them for improvements not to see them fail and lose $$

If you're displeased with IB managements, i think the appropriate approach is to start contacting them in 100s and initiate an online petition http://www.change.org/ to tell them what is wrong and how things needs to change and you can only do that if many vb customers get together. I personally think what VB needs is a new set of web developers and web designers to join the current team to bring new ideas, and features to VB like that Feed twitter like feature I proposed earlier.

http://www.internetbrands.com/
http://www.internetbrands.com/contact-us/

Quote:
Their twitter may be ? https://twitter.com/INETtweets

Their management team ? http://www.internetbrands.com/the-co...anagement.html

Robert N. Brisco
Chief Executive Officer

Scott A. Friedman
Chief Financial Officer

Chuck Hoover
Chief Marketing Officer

Just to name few

http://static.ibsrv.net/ibsite/pdf/2...ges%20Beta.pdf
Contact vBulletin:
Joe Ewaskiw
vBulletin / Internet Brands, Inc.
310-280-4539
joe.ewaskiw@internetbrands.com
 

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