I think I've had enough

[Ntfu2]

So like today i released a pretty cool mod, and i dont think everyone appreciated it because i only got 8 installs all day and they even reported a bug, how could there be a bug in my mod? can you beleive the nerve of some people

I think i'm going to leave now.... and take my lightbox with me

/sarcasim

[Cloud Strife]

Im glad to hear that there are going to be changes... Its been needed fir a while now. Thanks for listening to the customers

[kall]

Originally Posted by hotwheels

Shortly thereafter, i recieved a couple pm's telling me i could not release another's code without his permission. With out wanting to get into the he said she said, i backed off and removed my zip from the site.

Hmm.. according to this post you took it down because it was a core vBulletin file that you had edited in some way.

That's not stealing another's code, that's breaking the TOS of both this site and vBulletin Software.

[COBRAws]

Originally Posted by Erwin

The admins and staff have listened to the concerns in this thread and we are actively finding solutions right now. It's sufficient to say that there will be major changes implemented very soon - I know people are tired of hearing merely words with no actions to back them up - we basically need to look at different options - do we do this in an evolutionary way (slow and steady), or in a revolutionary way (radical changes)? It may be that we need radical changes. We shall see. Things are being discussed. So be assured that we are listening.

Sometimes heads need to be chopped. Its a shame, but its the truth

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by amykhar

I think an analogy more apt than the grocery store one would be that of a pot-luck dinner at a church that has gone very, very wrong. In a pot-luck dinner, every family brings a dish of their favorite food to share with the group. People eat a bit of this and that and talk and maybe swap recipes. There is no menu. There are no waiters or short-order cooks.

Now, imagine you take your dinner to the pot-luck dinner, and out of the 100 people who come, 4 bring food. Most of the other 96 people come and very quietly eat some of the food and leave. A few smile and say thank you. And, because it's a church and you have some food there, you really don't mind.

A few people who don't cook try to help out. They wash dishes, and pick up the trash. They help the small kids and older people who can't fill their own plates. They try to add something to the party.

But, 2 or 3 of the people who don't bring food start asking for stuff that isn't there. And, they get angry when you won't dish out their plates and serve them at their table. And, they yell at the people who did cook and tell them that the food is no good and it would be much better if you served steak instead of baked beans.

Those 2 or 3 people are far from the majority, but they certainly aren't much incentive for the 4 people who were willing to share their food to do so again.

I just had to quote this as I think it's pure brilliance.
Easily one of the best analogies I have read around these parts.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by Erwin

The admins and staff have listened to the concerns in this thread and we are actively finding solutions right now. It's sufficient to say that there will be major changes implemented very soon - I know people are tired of hearing merely words with no actions to back them up - we basically need to look at different options - do we do this in an evolutionary way (slow and steady), or in a revolutionary way (radical changes)? It may be that we need radical changes. We shall see. Things are being discussed. So be assured that we are listening.

First of all I would like to say thanks for taking action. It's most appreciated.
But I do have to state one thing: It would be nice if we could hear a little more than "changes will be implemented". All we've heard is "the hack db is coming" but thats about it. Any attempts to re-kindle it gets the thread locked (seperate thread that is).
What I would like is to hear a little more details. Specifically, a what and a rough when.

I applaud changes being made (if they are for the better )

[TheMusicMan]

Originally Posted by Erwin

The admins and staff have listened to the concerns in this thread and we are actively finding solutions right now. It's sufficient to say that there will be major changes implemented very soon - I know people are tired of hearing merely words with no actions to back them up - we basically need to look at different options - do we do this in an evolutionary way (slow and steady), or in a revolutionary way (radical changes)? It may be that we need radical changes. We shall see. Things are being discussed. So be assured that we are listening.

If you always do what you did, you will always get what you got.

Given that you would possibly be looking at a cost/benefit or risk/reward analysis of what's 'most right' for vB.org... radical would, in my humble opinion, seem to be the most pragmatic approach here...

[Erwin]

Originally Posted by Revan

First of all I would like to say thanks for taking action. It's most appreciated.
But I do have to state one thing: It would be nice if we could hear a little more than "changes will be implemented". All we've heard is "the hack db is coming" but thats about it. Any attempts to re-kindle it gets the thread locked (seperate thread that is).
What I would like is to hear a little more details. Specifically, a what and a rough when.

I applaud changes being made (if they are for the better )

I can't give details as the discussion is still going on. It may require a change of staff. It will take a lot of time and effort. It may involve many people. Really, until we sort it out for ourselves, I can't really tell you much more.

[davidw]

To be serious on the matter, aside from hot camels, I am compelled to agree with Amy and with good reason too. She makes a very good analogy. I will provide my hacks for free and if people don't like it, I will assume there's something better they can purchase elsewhere - which is fine by me, I'm happy I can help someone out that can't afford to pay, such as myself.

[Ohiosweetheart]

Originally Posted by christianb

To be serious on the matter, aside from hot camels, I am compelled to agree with Amy and with good reason too. She makes a very good analogy. I will provide my hacks for free and if people don't like it, I will assume there's something better they can purchase elsewhere - which is fine by me, I'm happy I can help someone out that can't afford to pay, such as myself.

and rest assured, you and coders like you, are very much appreciated by me and people like me, who can't afford to pay for hacks.
God bless you sweetie