Does 3.5.x make newbies lazy.

[Daniel]

Originally Posted by JumpD

Originally Posted by vB support team for EVERY answer

reupload the original files and delete all your hacks and plugins.

:nervous:

[smacklan]

I was going to reply to this, but 3.5 has made me too lazy....

[Erwin]

LAzy? Not at all! It has inspired me to think of creative ways to use plugins instead of code mods. Mind you, I still use quite a lot of code mods - My Araxis Merge still gets quite a bit of usage.

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by Erwin

LAzy? Not at all! It has inspired me to think of creative ways to use plugins instead of code mods. Mind you, I still use quite a lot of code mods - My Araxis Merge still gets quite a bit of usage.

Yeah, but the question at hand really doesnt include anyone who has posted here. It asks if it makes newbies lazy, meaning those new to vbulletin.


Anyone here learn any coding from the file edits of the past? The newbies wont have that.

[bluesteel]

Hasn't made ME lazy.
I still get wifey to read the posts out to me

[Quillz]

I don't think it makes anyone lazier. Everything is just easier to do. There's a big difference.

[leftie]

I think 'lazy' was the wrong word for me to use. When things went wrong it made me look into the code and it made start to understand some of the workings. Although it used to do my head in i really used to enjoy the challenge of trying to put it right, it gave me an interest to learn more.
I reckon most of you coders got into it because of what i said above and forum soft is the benefact of it all. When you guys make it so easy for newbies to use i feel you will you also be taking away the natural inquisitive interest of the next generation of coders.
I guess it is a catch 22 question, make it easy make it hard. Don't get me wrong, i am not knocking you guys, far from it. I am finding it hard to explain what i mean. :nervous:

[DannyMilner]

Well, it saves time. A old upgrade would take a few hours, now I can do one in 20 minutes

[Code Monkey]

Originally Posted by leftie

I think 'lazy' was the wrong word for me to use. When things went wrong it made me look into the code and it made start to understand some of the workings. Although it used to do my head in i really used to enjoy the challenge of trying to put it right, it gave me an interest to learn more.
I reckon most of you coders got into it because of what i said above and forum soft is the benefact of it all. When you guys make it so easy for newbies to use i feel you will you also be taking away the natural inquisitive interest of the next generation of coders.
I guess it is a catch 22 question, make it easy make it hard. Don't get me wrong, i am not knocking you guys, far from it. I am finding it hard to explain what i mean. :nervous:

"natural inquisitive interest" is not a situational event. It is exactly what you say it is, natural. Some have more, some have less. Despite the premise put forth here, plugins are still the same old code hacks they ever where. The only difference is they are now logically contained in a transitional environment that preserves them during vBulletin upgrades.

They are still code, they still alter the way vb operates, they can still be nullified by changes to the vb code base (ex:archives with latest patch), they still take a lot of time and effort, and they still evolve.

Really, the only difference is now you have to look in two places for every event. The vb code, and the plugin. Might even be more work than before.

Anyone with a "natural inquisitive interest" can still be inspired by the new plugin system. Maybe even more so now. Since the thought of having to redo so much after an upgrade isn't so daunting now.

[MRGTB]

Dam I'm too lazy to reply.

Ops, what am I taking about I'm using vB 3.0