Anyone hacked by the Muslims yet?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Pcparts

Here you have a group of idiots on both sides.

You are talking about governments and other semi-official groups?

[guvner]

Originally Posted by Corriewf

Sadly most of the Muslims all over the world are seeking revenge and taking it

Most of the Mulsims?? - perhaps a little perspective is required here?

Estimates are that there are +/- 1.2 billion Muslims in the world and +/- 2.1 billion Christians.

If we were to postulate that 0.01% (one hundredth of one percent) of all Muslims have extreme views, this would equate to a little over a 100,000 people.

Now, if we take all the images of protest and anger that have been broadcast via all media since the cartoon issue surfaced and attempt to quantify their numbers, how many people would we have seen? - 100, 1,000, 10,000 or maybe the whole 0.01% - who knows? What we do know is that 20 years ago this would have been a non event! Why? - because we'd most likey have gone about our daily lives blissfully unaware of these events.

But these days, every single incident gets blasted into our conciousness from waking up to bed time, and I sincerely believe that our awareness of issues such as this is more a result of the world's media and their hunger to "be first" or "the most informative" or the "most dramatic" than any real escalation in some perceived underlying problem. And if we see the same footage over and over, we might even be left with the impression that every member of Islam on the planet is up in arms!

I find it so frustrating and irritating when I see and hear people being "bagged and tagged" based on some kind of label, people are people regardless of which religion they practice and there are whackos in all of them, but the overwhelming majority of people are good and kind individuals, if that were not true our entire species would never have made it this far!

I'm truly sorry you were hacked, I can only imagine how you must have felt, but it was probably one person that did it, what percentage of Islam would he or she make up?

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by guvner

Most of the Mulsims?? - perhaps a little perspective is required here?

Estimates are that there are +/- 1.2 billion Muslims in the world and +/- 2.1 billion Christians.

If we were to postulate that 0.01% (one hundredth of one percent) of all Muslims have extreme views, this would equate to a little over a 100,000 people.

Now, if we take all the images of protest and anger that have been broadcast via all media since the cartoon issue surfaced and attempt to quantify their numbers, how many people would we have seen? - 100, 1,000, 10,000 or maybe the whole 0.01% - who knows? What we do know is that 20 years ago this would have been a non event! Why? - because we'd most likey have gone about our daily lives blissfully unaware of these events.

But these days, every single incident gets blasted into our conciousness from waking up to bed time, and I sincerely believe that our awareness of issues such as this is more a result of the world's media and their hunger to "be first" or "the most informative" or the "most dramatic" than any real escalation in some perceived underlying problem. And if we see the same footage over and over, we might even be left with the impression that every member of Islam on the planet is up in arms!

I find it so frustrating and irritating when I see and hear people being "bagged and tagged" based on some kind of label, people are people regardless of which religion they practice and there are whackos in all of them, but the overwhelming majority of people are good and kind individuals, if that were not true our entire species would never have made it this far!

I'm truly sorry you were hacked, I can only imagine how you must have felt, but it was probably one person that did it, what percentage of Islam would he or she make up?

I understand what you are saying and you are probably right about the use of the word "most", however it is fact that there are more Muslims wanting death to christians then vice versa. I know that for a large part a lot fo the middle east countries are full of people that hate us. Actually they REALLY hate Jews and since we support them..... Anyhow, I do not see as much hate coming from the christians.....

I know another personal experience of my own is that ouside the internet in "real" life I hardly ever have any problems with Muslims. With that said, its a different story on the internet. It seems that on the internet ( no face nothing to lose), I have been insulted and attacked in a large array of mediums.

In the end you are correct, we are all people and share the same emotion, however it is how it is expressed that matters...

[Sean S]

Originally Posted by christianb

Ok, something bothers me here - its been bothering since I first started reading this thread. Just as Christians get stereotyped for a few fanaticals here and there or because a couple/few did something that went against mainstream society, muslims are being treated the same way. There are many muslims I know who are just as nice, friendly, and well-minded as the rest of us, but it is the results of a few (individuals/groups of people) that is causing a stereotypical "WAR" here. Not all muslims are bad - on the contrary, most muslims are not bad people. The world has been "educated" in the sense that it is OK to stereotype groups of people if it goes against their belief system. People can deny this all they want, but it is true. I am a Christian and have been treated very poorly sometimes, because of what other people who claim to be Christian do. I get subbed into this category of "you're Christian then you are like him or her" and have been mocked, blamed, cursed at, etc. at the expense of a stereotype.

that had to be the most well thought out post in this thread, props to you bud. As for you "Corriewf ", I don't think that you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Sadly it is people like you and the media that have made it look like that all/"most" muslims are at war and violence. Clearly, you haven't lived outside of whatever country you are from, and clearly, you have not experienced or bothered to learn about different cultures and religions. I could say that the "most" muslims that you are talking about don't even make up the 1/3 of the whole muslim population.

Getting back to the subject, all these stereotypes made the that Denmarkish publishing company, publish a picture of muhammad, which like stated by someone here before, it is forbidden to do in their religion, but that company didn't care cause they had the same stereotypical views about muslims.

I'm not saying that they are perfect, but nobody else is, and saying that most/all muslims are like that just angers me cause that is not even close to the fact.

It's just ridiculious how some of us suddenlly turn against a nationality or a religion because of false media coverages and false info that we are given, because of wars that get started between a small group and that small group becomes responsible for the death and suffering of many others. I've seen enough war in my life that it just saddens me how stupid the politics are and that why we as humans have to be or act like this. I don't wanna go into details cause it would turn this thread into a political thread, which would then result in the deletion of this post.

Corriewf please take into consideration that I'm not jumping at you, I just don't like the fact that you use all/most in your sentences.

peace.

[zamalekfanz]

Originally Posted by Lizard King

That is totally something else. Israel , USa or even Jesus are different. In islam muhammed's picture is forbidden to draw or shown in any place. Everybody can believe in different things but you must respect other persons faith and i also believe that cartoons were released just to provoke muslums. Check every source you have and there is no way you can find muhammed's picture in any where else.

But if you search Jesus you can find zillions of pictures of him because even Christians are putting his picture every where they can.

Thank you for your understanding this truth. In Islam we believe that Mouhammad's picture is forbidden to draw or shown in any place.

[yahoooh]

i am musilm .

and what happen in DK in posting some cartoons that insult our faith is unacceptable
and when some people dale with this event by hacking also is unacceptable

so , the christians and muslims should not dale with this events like that all people of them are bad
this is not true

we should respect ourself and respect others whithout using un modern way in depate or discussion

if my brother or your brother do mistake ,that will not destroy the relationshipt between me and u
and we should say only stop the mistakes and do not include us in this situation

thanks

[Corriewf]

For the record, didnt really piss me off at all getting my site hacked...It really didnt bother me. To clarify, my opinions are based off of not living outside of the US nor and in depth knowledge of Muslim or even Christian faith... Everything I have said was personal opinion and in no way do I mean words to be used as factual information.

I would honesly rather find out my opinion is incorrect.

[The Geek]

Maybe it is no different than seeing all the religious right wingers come out in protest whenever a movie comes out in the US regarding topics they find offensive. Its always made me chuckle as it only serves to backfire on their cause by drawing publicity to the situation. In the end they have a choice: If you don't agree with the content, don't view it.

What I get confused about is that it maybe forbidden to draw the prophet, however is the person who did the drawing a Muslim? If not then I'm not sure where the problem really is. After all, Muslims have the power to refuse to read the paper, heck they can even protest by never buying it again - Whats next? Jews protesting hot dog manufacturers? We all have differences and one key cornerstone in any religion is tolerance towards those that do not share your views.

[Sean S]

Originally Posted by The Geek

Maybe it is no different than seeing all the religious right wingers come out in protest whenever a movie comes out in the US regarding topics they find offensive. Its always made me chuckle as it only serves to backfire on their cause by drawing publicity to the situation. In the end they have a choice: If you don't agree with the content, don't view it.

What I get confused about is that it maybe forbidden to draw the prophet, however is the person who did the drawing a Muslim? If not then I'm not sure where the problem really is. After all, Muslims have the power to refuse to read the paper, heck they can even protest by never buying it again - Whats next? Jews protesting hot dog manufacturers? We all have differences and one key cornerstone in any religion is tolerance towards those that do not share your views.

it doesn't matter if the guy drew it was a muslim or not, this is about respect for other's beliefs. Clearly that cartoon was a direct insult to their religion and their beliefs, it is forbidden to draw the prophet, no matter if you are a muslim or not, and if you look at the cartoon, it clearly links the prophet to terrorism, with the bomb placed on his head, that's even worst than an insult.

If that's the case, then Jews shouldn't get upset if Iran's president calls holocaust a myth, or others saying that Jesus was not God's begotten son. It is all beliefs that each person from each religion holds strong ties with. No one likes their beliefs to be made fun of or crushed, and saying to ignore such a thing is very selfish of you cause i'm sure if someone made fun of your beliefs, then you would have take some form of action.

the case here is about respect, not about rights. Every person has the right for free speach, but it's unfortunate that this had to be published to add more problems to the rest of the problems.

[The Geek]

You cant legislate or control respect any more than you can taste. Clearly the cartoon (which I haven't even seen) is in very bad taste. However if it suddenly becomes a crime to express a viewpoint if it is offencive to someone then no one will ever be able to express a viewpoint again as there is always someone that will be offended by it.

The holocaust is a totally different beast all together. Its like the US denying it ever dropped a bomb on Hiroshima. In that instance we are talking about recent history witnessed by countless still alive today versus religious beliefs. However on some level, you are right in the fact that if someone wants to claim it didn't happen... does it matter? That is their belief and their right to be lame. Its no one else's right to force them to believe something different.

As far as a Religious group expecting people that do not subscribe to their views to follow the rules of that religion is the same thing as people being expected not to kill cows because there are people out there that believe it to be religiously wrong.

I agree that the world would be a far better place if everyone would show respect for each others beliefs, however many religions do not even do that. The freedom of speech and of expression are inalienable human rights that can be as destroying as it can be enabling however in the end the world is a far better place when people are are empowered to express their viewpoints even if it may offend someone.

For what its worth, it sounds like a lame cartoon and I would be pretty freaking embarrassed and ashamed if I had anything to do with it.