sup with the attitude we get from staff here?

[Revan]

Originally Posted by iguanairs

Hello,

I guess I don't see the big deal with people wanting to see the site swapped over to 3.5. I visit the site regularly and it works fine as is. When they upgrade, great, but its not like the site is broken right now or anything so I can't see why it is even a discussion that needs to be held.

If the site were broken, I could understand people trying to rush the upgrade. Since it isn't, what am I missing with them upgrading to 3.5?

vBulletin 3.5 has many standard features that will IMO become invaluable to me and many others on this site.
Notable ones include AJAX posting, persistent thread marking, quick swapping between WYSI and standard posting styles, etc.
Not to mention vBulletin is faster, more stable and easier to extend.

Ill be happy as sunshine once the upgrade is here, but for now I think Ill restrain myself from /wrist

[Princeton]

"12 mods" ... where are they?

... my visits here are less frequent due to the "atmosphere" lately. Some changes are needed. I hope with the new "database" system there will be new faces. I'm not saying that current staff is poor ... it's just that there's not enough of them around.

There are only a handful of staff (actually less) that are always around. These are the people that BUILD vb.org. They should be surrounded with people with the same dedication.

Not long ago, one of the best vb.org staff members was promoted to vBulletin Staff. He deserves that title. He's helped many just by being here; just by "moderating"; just by being positive; and he loves to show his work. It's a shame we see less of him here; but, life goes on.

Perhaps a staff reshuffle is needed.
- some people should be downgraded (perhaps a "Visiting Mod" title)
- while others should be dropped (Why keep them if they are no longer active or "moderating"? Life goes on ... things change ... pass the baton to someone else.)


With that said, it's staff responsibility to watch what they and others say. It's their job to promote a POSITIVE atmosphere.


SUGGESTIONS:
- Ignore it if you do not have nothing positive to say; someone will come along and post the appropriate answer
- Merge the thread with another
- Add a link to other threads so that people could see that it has been discussed previously.


THINGS TO REMEMBER:
- There will always be duplicates.
- There will always be people that ignore the SEARCH feature.
- Text is not a good way to communicate -- no emotions. eg. A message that was meant to be just a "I was only pointing out the facts" could be construed in a "negative" way. Which it was; and will each time someone reads it.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Dunno, there seems no excuse for such a reaction, but in recent weeks such outbursts seem to have become the norm (from members as well).

Everyone appreciates that real life can sometimes get in the way, but you can't just keep trotting it out as an excuse week after week - according to the forum leaders screen there are 12 moderators and 3 admins - how many of these do you regularly see ? If real life is such a problem then maybe they should allow others to take up roles.

It's becoming a depressing place to visit atm, it's only really supporting my work that still drags me here daily.

[sabret00the]

Originally Posted by princeton

"12 mods" ... where are they?

... my visits here are less frequent due to the "atmosphere" lately. Some changes are needed. I hope with the new "database" system there will be new faces. I'm not saying that current staff is poor ... it's just that there's not enough of them around.

There are only a handful of staff (actually less) that are always around. These are the people that BUILD vb.org. They should be surrounded with people with the same dedication.

Not long ago, one of the best vb.org staff members was promoted to vBulletin Staff. He deserves that title. He's helped many just by being here; just by "moderating"; just by being positive; and he loves to show his work. It's a shame we see less of him here; but, life goes on.

Perhaps a staff reshuffle is needed.
- some people should be downgraded (perhaps a "Visiting Mod" title)
- while others should be dropped (Why keep them if they are no longer active or "moderating"? Life goes on ... things change ... pass the baton to someone else.)


With that said, it's staff responsibility to watch what they and others say. It's their job to promote a POSITIVE atmosphere.


SUGGESTIONS:
- Ignore it if you do not have nothing positive to say; someone will come along and post the appropriate answer
- Merge the thread with another
- Add a link to other threads so that people could see that it has been discussed previously.


THINGS TO REMEMBER:
- There will always be duplicates.
- There will always be people that ignore the SEARCH feature.
- Text is not a good way to communicate -- no emotions. eg. A message that was meant to be just a "I was only pointing out the facts" could be construed in a "negative" way. Which it was; and will each time someone reads it.

i've said for a while that i don't feel the non-active mods should be kept on, it's harsh but their passion for the site is evidently not that of what it should be. saying that on the occasions that they are active as seldom as it maybe, you're left thinking how cool it would be if they were like that all the time.

[mfizzel]

the more you ask the longer it takes.

haha

[Wayne Luke]

There is actually only one person who is listed as a moderator and isn't active currently. Another is listed as a "Retired Moderator". All others have been active.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

There is actually only one person who is listed as a moderator and isn't active currently. Another is listed as a "Retired Moderator". All others have been active.

Rose - inactive (no seen since April ?)
assassingod - inactive (last post Aug 05)
Steve Machol - inactive (last post Mar 05)

Since their promotions, a lot less is seen of Kirbyde & Colin F. Little has been seen of Erwin in the last few weeks.

Personally I don't think it a great idea for "promoted" people like Kirby & Colin (or other Jelsoft staff like Steve) to be moderators here (i.e. dual roles) - their Jelsoft roles must (should) be their priority, meaning they cannot commit the time to here as they once did - it's not as if vb.org isn't swimming in other people willing to help is it ?

[Wayne Luke]

Steve Machol is the Jelsoft Support Manager. He isn't losing his position here.

Erwin is in and out. Just because you don't see him doesn't mean he isn't here.

Rose is Inactive... Assassingod is listed as "Retired".

Andreas is here regularly, I have seen him lurking. I have seen Colin around as well.

This site is not lacking in staff and they are actively pursuing things. Since people are NOSY and need to know where the volunteers are... They have lives, they are volunteers. They are not slaves to this community. One member had to take time off because his wife was very ill. Others are in the middle of Finals. As the need arises, people will be promoted.

The problem with running a site dedicated to Forum Admins is everyone wants to be in charge.

[plubius]

I am never the one to take up for "da man", but I have been to other sites that support other forum software. Compared to them, org staff are great if a little stuck up at times. You should be glad that they are not a bunch of dictators pouncing on any that challenge them. (Well, sometimes I like those kinds of idiots because it is fun watching them act like morons.)

As for staff being chosen from the coder ranks, I am against it in the exclusive sense. You do not have to be a coder to recognise spam and flame.

[Wayne Luke]

As far as I am aware all staff are chosen because they are contributing members of the community not because they are coders.

[Boofo]

I, for one, was not chosen on my coding ability. I made sure of that before I even thought of accepting the position.