Lets combine funds for a Reviews CMS with business/product directory

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by Webrunner

...... and release it to get some cash?

...lol.. Do you mean from donation? ... After 2 years still I haven't completed $75

Originally Posted by Webrunner

Another question for Chris: how far are you from a proper release?

Proper but medium in features release? 2-3 days max

Chris

[FannBlade]

Originally Posted by ChrisTERiS

After 2 years still I haven't completed $75

Proper but medium in features release? 2-3 days max

Chris

Years to days seems like simple math to me. If you only have twenty member purchase it for $30...that is $600, sure that may only be 5 cents an hour , but those 20 members could snow ball into 200-300 then thing start looking good. Keep product updated and start adding more features then step price somewhere between $30-$200.

How many product have others purchase because of a great implantation someone is using on their own site.

Two things that bother me for add-ons.
1. Free add-ons that seem to always just fall off map with no more support. (expected for free)
2. Paid add-ons that seem to have had heyday period in 2009 and now nothing.
Scariest thing for me is implementing an add-on that admin,mods and members love but just falls off map. (probably why lot of large sites still using 3.8)

Either way support or at least the illusion of support and interest is what keeps a product viable.

Take vBulletin as an example,sure it seems like I'm constantly doing an upgrade but VB does a great job with announcements and what is on the horizon.

ChrisTERiS I have been to your site several times and have a tough time navigating site to find products...for a vB coder my perception is your vB site would be setup properly. I know it's hard to be a one man show and try to make products and keep site up to date but unforgivably enthusiasm and professional projection is also required to grow a great product. We all need a little dose of excitement every so often.

Even with just few members posting in this thread I bet it has a ton of silent members waiting to pounce on something.

Sorry for mess of rambling but trying to watch Formula 1 qualifying also.

[lazytown]

I see the same pattern over and over... Vastly unrealistic time-lines, unrealistic estimates and unrealistic promises. I'm not saying it's intentional but it's what keeps happening, and I don't mean being off by 10-20%, but being off by like 500-2000%....

[Christos Teriakis]

Originally Posted by vissa

I see the same pattern over and over... Vastly unrealistic time-lines, unrealistic estimates and unrealistic promises. I'm not saying it's intentional but it's what keeps happening, and I don't mean being off by 10-20%, but being off by like 500-2000%....

Sorry, but do you have something against me? In everything that I'm saying you've always something negative to say. I don't think is polite. Final I'm not a criminal. I'll appreciate if you let me alone. And finally I'm not posting in random. All my posts are replies to specific questions. And finally... have you seen any estimate? He ask me how long it will takes me to finish it and I said: in 2-3 days max. Didn't said on Tuesday. I've 7 custom projects on hands now. When I'll finish them, and if I decide to waste my time with this mod, then (and only then) it will takes me 2-3 days to finish it. I don't plan to let out some thousands of real money, betting for some hundrend possible dollars.

Thank you
Chris

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Originally Posted by FannBlade

ChrisTERiS I have been to your site several times and have a tough time navigating site to find products...for a vB coder my perception is your vB site would be setup properly. I know it's hard to be a one man show and try to make products and keep site up to date but unforgivably enthusiasm and professional projection is also required to grow a great product. We all need a little dose of excitement every so often.

Have you seen anywhere a buynow button? A Cart with products? No. Well, only this means that I'm a honest person. As long as I know that the reality is that I'm very busy with custom works, and thus I'll be unable to support well my clients, I turned it off.
But my forums for my current clients is working. Right? My response time is very good.

So what you prefer? To find a nice site, with a nicer shop system open, and when you'll pay you money which most probably are coming from your hard work, you'll find that nothing except the download links works? Have you visited forumcoding.com? It has everything and the shop is open. But just read the forums and you'll understand how "soon" you'll get a reply in case that you want support. Forumsmods.com which has release a review addon. He got the money and 2 weeks now they're ...upgrading the system.

Sorry I don't like to do it. When I'll be ready to support my clients, then I'll open my shop. Till then no orders accepting.

Chris

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Originally Posted by FannBlade

....sure that may only be 5 cents an hour

..... especially if you compare those 5 X 8 = 40c with 250 Euros which is my daily rate. If I haven't custom work on hands, yes instead of nothing I had to work on it. But as I said before I've currently 7 projects opens. Only an idiot will drop them for some cents.

I know that I sound rude but this is the reality worldwide. Everybody of us (I believe you too), we're giving attention to the jobs with the higher income. Or I'm wrong?

[lazytown]

Christeris,

No I'm not attacking you personally.. I've only stated my opinions on time line estimates in general. People are responsible for what they say and do and the reputation they create. I haven't said a nasty word, and I don't know if there is a language barrier. When someone says 2-3 days, I don't think people think that means it's going to be after they finish all their other 7 projects, which means it could easily be 6 months, 12 months or more, who in the world knows. I'm glad you cleared that up for everyone to see a perfect example of what I'm talking about and how things get miscommunicated.

This is not an attack on you. I have had to give estimates myself in the past and have learned a LONG time ago that my gut reaction is usually WAY less that it will really take -- I have learned through experience to increase my estimate on how long I think it will take by 50 to 100%. Many developers are ridiculously overly optimistic on how quickly they can get things done. I stand by my statement that I do see the same mistakes over and over with estimates -- that's my honest opinion and I think people should get used to this reality. I also think open honest and frequent communication is essential. If a project is dropped, people should be told as soon as possible. I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion, especially one who has been around as long as I have. Again, I don't have a problem with you, so please don't take the attacks personally. You don't have to defend every comment I make, many of them are general statements about development in general and not targeted specifically towards you. I, for one, am glad you are a vbulletin developer. As I've stated, you are a talented coder.....

[FannBlade]

I too wasn't attacking you. You were have been on this topic from day one and think you haven't gotten a fair shake here.
The way it read was you have 2yrs in it and would only take 2-3 more days to finish it.

As to your site I personally would like to see more on the Info pages that include some screen shots and descriptions.

[Badshah93]

Well i have started making Reviews Mod for vB 4.x. (already written 800 lines of code). My mod has its own section and category like vBCms has. (i have not integrated with forums like other have done in past).

Category and Sections (backened) pages are done, today will be doing custom fields part.

http://awesomescreenshot.com/0585hxu9e

Will release two version of this mod (Free here and Pro on My site)

[Boofo]

Here we go again.

[FannBlade]

keep them updates coming.

[Webrunner]

@Chris: with cash i mean sales, not donations.
If the mod is working fine and has at least some more then the free review mod i am willing to pay for it. (as long as i know that you have the time to support it and develop it, but i know understand that that is exactly the problem)

Maybe you should try to team up with some other codes, like dbtech did.