Sarkozy: Burkha is not welcome in France!

[UKBusinessLive]

Hi Ba$im

Thats great, but your King allows this to happen, and normally inside as a private function, if they all went down the street drunk and drinking from bottles then they would be arrested without doubt.

Its a tough cookie but its down to the ruler of a particular country to decide, i can't really see how anyone can expect an non islamic country to change for the sake of it.

Its like me having a market stall in Iran selling Lager and Pork Sausages?? Its disrecpectful to even think about it let alone expecting the governement to change because i want to do it??

Instead i would go to Germany and sell my larger and Pork Sausages, to the VB Germany guys

Can you see where i'm coming from, Its nothing to do against the islamic religion, But the Law of the land of the country that your Visiting.

Besides the French Each Snails and Frogs legs, I don't like it but it still doesn't stop me respecting their laws, and when i go to france i can expect people to eat this.

[unp]

Burkha is not much different to Nun's habit.So how one is 'debasement' and other isn't.

[Ba$im]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

Hi Ba$im

Thats great, but your King allows this to happen, and normally inside as a private function, if they all went down the street drunk and drinking from bottles then they would be arrested without doubt.

Its a tough cookie but its down to the ruler of a particular country to decide, i can't really see how anyone can expect an non islamic country to change for the sake of it.

Its like me having a market stall in Iran selling Lager and Pork Sausages?? Its disrecpectful to even think about it let alone expecting the governement to change because i want to do it??

Instead i would go to Germany and sell my larger and Pork Sausages, to the VB Germany guys

Can you see where i'm coming from, Its nothing to do against the islamic religion, But the Law of the land of the country that your Visiting.

Besides the French Each Snails and Frogs legs, I don't like it but it still doesn't stop me respecting their laws, and when i go to france i can expect people to eat this.

will we still talking about what you wear not what you drink
besides if the goverment here catch them while they drink on street
they will not going to prison
they will realse them and ask from them not drink in street that’s all

as I said in first
if what is going on here is that Mr Sarkozy said france my world
also we will said egypt our world
so when he come back to egypt and want to visit Necropolis
with his lovely girl
we will not allow to her visit it without wearing Negab

so isn’t sound justice ?

[JacquiiDesigns]

Originally Posted by unp

Burkha is not much different to Nun's habit.So how one is 'debasement' and other isn't.

Well - to be honest - I think you will find that the arguments for Sarkozy's anti-burkha legislation is more of an anti-Muslim thing cleverly disguised as giving a damn about the debasement of woman... You will see that the main argument has become "If you don't like the law - then go back to your Muslim country." --- It's a bit of a shame really, easy dismissal is abundant, as noted when an interesting point of trying to do the same to Jewish people was brought into the equation. The argument was simply ignored.

I think you will find also that your point regarding the nun's habit will meet similar... I can see similarities yes, but then again - the Muslim female in a Burkha or hijab is not giving her life over to Christ

On the same token though - I do quite understand that civilizations are allowed to make such laws in their countries. All nations are based on laws I suppose... The law of the land is the rule of the land until the government is overthrown and new laws are put in place LOL

Jacquii.

[UKBusinessLive]

Good point Jacquii

But i don't think its anything to do with being Anti muslim, France with the highest population of Muslims in Europe and Several Senior Muslims in the Government, simply wouldn't let it happen.

Infact it was the Justice Minister, A Muslim herself that refused a Morrocan Women in a Burkha residentcy earlier on in the year.

Plus you need to Remember that France is a predominantly Christaian / Jewish country, with no real desisire to turn into an islamic state.

The law of the land is the rule of the land until the government is overthrown and new laws are put in place LOL

What your saying here is that France is ok until the government is overthrown and an islamic laws are put into place, I really can't see it happening.

Jewish people was brought into the equation. The argument was simply ignored

The debate is not about Jewish people, you can't hide behind something else and expect it to be ok, just like the debate is not about muslims, its about the small minority that talibanised the religion, and its a small minority, as there are millions of moderate mulims all round the world that don't believe in this, that desn't made them bad muslims.

Also the debate is not about should women wear the burkha i've said this no end of times, if women want to they can, Please do, But when a country says no, we should respect that, whats so hard to do??

To go to Austrialia, i need a Visa, If they don't want to let me into the country they won't, They are not being racist, just following the laws of their country, even to the States now, you need to register in advance before your trip, I feel that its also in the interest of National Security, as certain countries around the world where the stricter muslims inists on the Burkha are Countries where Terrorist come from.

Its certainly a decission not taken lightly.

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

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One thing I don't think you have mentioned at all (pardon me if I am wrong):

The burka is effectively banned in Turkey (a Muslim country) as well, and has been since 1927 or so; the actual legal ban in Turkey is on veils of all kinds, and the burka being the industrial-strength veil to end all veils, it's like kinda triply illegal.

These days you do see many Turkish women actually ignoring the law in Turkey and adopting the veil; it's usually a political statement, where they are identifying themselves as supporting the overall new Islamist* trend in Turkey. But AFAIK it's still illegal on the books.

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* And it was precisely because of Islamic fundamentalism that Turkey, while remaining a Muslim country, banned the veil back in 1927 or so; the government of that time wanted a reasonable amount of what you could call church/state seperation, and a fraction of secularism in society.

[UKBusinessLive]

Thanks for that Tim, i haddn't realised that a Muslim Country actually Banned the burkha too

Now what does that say??

The Strict laws governing the burkha, looks like its not welcomed in a moderate Muslim society, I feel its very outdated and when you think of the burkha you think of the taliban and their strict muslim laws, which frequently excuted people almost daily in Afganistan. Even in countries where the Burkha is worn, women are told to wear the burkha and failure to do so can result in beatings, harassment or other worse punishments.

There have also been instances where men wore the burkha to escape from the police or to hide their identities from the authorities. One such famous incident occurred at the Red Mosque siege in Pakistan, and recently on of the London Bus Bomb Terrorist espaced police custody dressed in his sisters Burkha.

Modern day muslims base their authority regarding the Burkha on the Hadith or collected traditions of life in the days of Muhammad the prophet. But a noteworthy objection is that Hadith describes 7th century Arabian life, which should not be imposed on modern day Muslims world wide.

Muslim communities also argue that women are to dress modestly but should not be forced or punished to wear a burkha. This is why many Muslim communities have different preferences regarding the application of the burkha.

There are both the opponents and the supporters of burkha out there but many Muslims are starting to agree that such enforced dress code is not necessary. Unlike historical times, many nations have begun to lessen their enforcement of the burkha. Women are also no longer required to wear the burkha (only some Muslim nations) even though they are encouraged to wear modest clothes such as a headscarf (most of Islamic states). Liberal Muslims and women’s rights groups are advocating for the compulsory enforcement of the burkha to be stopped so a women (and girls) are given the choice to decide if they want to wear the burkha or not. Currently, this issue or topic is hotly contested by the Islamic scholars, Muslim Communities and the Western nations. However, as Islam moves into the modern age, one can only speculate as to what the future of burkha will truly be.

Makes me also wonder how many Muslim members disagreed with the french actually have Sisters Mums and other female Relatives wearing the Burkha, and are not simply disagreeing because they are Muslim ?? Which is not what this debate is about.

[home9000]

If a woman want to wear anything then you have to respect her desire
Where is woman right that we all talk about

Now you want to force the woman to do what you want
sorry to say that but you are strange UKBusinessLive and unfair in the same time

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by home9000

If a woman want to wear anything then you have to respect her desire
Where is woman right that we all talk about

Now you want to force the woman to do what you want
sorry to say that but you are strange UKBusinessLive and unfair in the same time

If a woman want to wear anything then you have to respect her desire

A woman can wear what she want, as long as its within the laws of a country, In the modern world if she want to wear a burkha then she will be restricted to wear she can go, thats nothing direspectful it the Law.

Now you want to force the woman to do what you want

No one wants to Force the woman to do anything, I've said before she can wear the burkha all day long in the few countries that allow it.

sorry to say that but you are strange UKBusinessLive and unfair in the same time

Its not down to me what these countries decide, I'm not making the Rules here :erm:

You need to realise even islamic countries like Turkey has banned the Burkha, The wearing of even simple headscarves by women is banned in Tunisia.....a 99% Muslim country......and its not compulsary in many others.

All i'm saying and i'll say it again when forgien people come to your Country, they have to respect your countrys laws, even if they think its not fair, otherwise they will no doubt be punished - Do you agree ?

if so, likewise when you and your family visit another country you need to go by their rules, especially a non islamic country, otherwise you will be disrespectfull towards that country and its religion - True or false.

Its not rocket science, but we do need to remember, that even in the freedom that we live in, there are certain parts of the world that are not as liberal as others, You can find yourselves in prison without trial, or even physically punished, beaten and worst.

Religion Plays an important part too, especially if you don't go by the laws of the land.

[JacquiiDesigns]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

No one wants to Force the woman to do anything, I've said before she can wear the burkha all day long in the few countries that allow it.

That is just a blatantly false statement LOL
The law is all about force. Nothing more, nothing less.
I wonder... What is the penalty for a woman who wears the burkha in public even though the French prohibit it? Is she stoned to death?

Jacquii.