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Old 06-23-2009, 06:04 PM
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Default Sarkozy: Burkha is not welcome in France!

The Title Says it all, But are the French Right or Wrong for making a Law like this?

French President Sarkozy has risked the wrath of Muslims by backing demands for the burkha to be banned.

He declared that the full-body religious gown is a sign of the 'debasement' of women.
'In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity,' he said to extended applause in Versailles, at a joint session of France's two houses of parliament.

'The burkha is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement. It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic.'

The president was supporting a weekend call by dozens of French politicians for a parliamentary commission to study whether the burkha, which is growing in popularity in France, should be banned.

He laid out his support for a ban even before the panel has been approved - braving critics who fear the issue could stigmatise Muslims in France.

I guess many would argue, that if you go and live in a differnt country you need to abide by their laws, and that Countries shouldn't change just because a differnt religion has appeared.


What are your feelings about this?? I know that VB.org has a large multicultural membership and it would be nice to hear feedback form all religions.

Don't forget to vote, Its a secret vote so, no one will know who voted for what, I'm hoping we can then be honest with our replies.

In Holland, controversial Dutch MP Geert Wilders, who was banned from entering Britain, tried to introduce a ban, calling the head-dress 'a medieval symbol, a symbol against women'.

But despite Parliament voting in favour, the government was challenged in the courts and it is yet to become law - a sign of the opposition Sarkozy could expect.

The issue is highly divisive even within the French government. The junior minister for human rights, Rama Yade, said she was open to a ban if it is aimed at protecting women forced to wear the burkha.

But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said a ban would only 'create tensions'.

What do you guys think??


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Old 06-23-2009, 09:16 PM
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I fully agree with my president. Enough. When we go home, we must be in accordance with their rules, with their religion. French women who go there must wear a veil, a hijab. In France, no veil.I wish that these rules be followed.
But I don't kow if french right or wrong for making this law.

Edit: I assume my comments.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:32 PM
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It's the sign of subservience and debasement I don't agree with, therefore this time I'd have to agree with Geert Wilders this symbol against womanhood should be forbidden.

Don't get me wrong here. I can endure some good old fashion role playing, also people should be allowed to wear each and every clothing piece they want, being it religious or not.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:41 PM
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To wear the bourkha would forbid the woman to drive a car or to exercise certain professions (servicemen, policemen).
It would be an incompatible discrimination with the French laws
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Thanks Cor and Sofia for your views, I guess, in certain islamic countries women wear the burkha and indeed its a sign of religion, and we will always get people from one country move to another, but surely if i was going to move my whole family, as a responsible person i would probably go for a country which was more suited for my family. As a responsible father and adult its my responsability to ensure that the enviroment was suitable.

I would not wish to move to Iran, or somewhere with a very strong Islamic religion, for fear of not fitting in and having to obide by their rules. So as you can problably gather i'm at a lost, for why these groups of religious Muslims would wish to move to a western country that is so against their religion, when there are so many muslim countries that can offer them a safe haven.

Could it be that even libral, moderate muslims, don't like the idea of the burkha and what it represents??

Is this the same religious Muslim sect that the Taliban adopt?? I know full well that under the Taliban, Woman are nothing, they are just classed as 2nd rate objects, not allowed to have a job or role in society. Can it be fair to treat women like this, especially in this day and age??

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"Never has man committed evil so willingly as that conducted in the name of religion"

I can't remember where I read that but its so true.

I'm split on this; on one side It is used to demote women to second class citizens. On the other, if it is worn willingly by a woman doing what she believes is the moral thing to do...

I don't think that a ban is the right way to handle it; something more low key promoting the idea that its suppressing womens rights and having the women concerned reconsider their stance on wearing it.
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"Never has man committed evil so willingly as that conducted in the name of religion"

I can't remember where I read that but its so true.

I'm split on this; on one side It is used to demote women to second class citizens. On the other, if it is worn willingly by a woman doing what she believes is the moral thing to do...

I don't think that a ban is the right way to handle it; something more low key promoting the idea that its suppressing womens rights and having the women concerned reconsider their stance on wearing it.
I agree with what you say, but lets say we went to Saudi Arabia and walked down the Street drinking a can of beer, We think its morally right to do, But the saudi's would lock you up, because its against their country's rules.

If a Country has decided that the wearing of a Burkha is to be outlawed, why would individuals attempt to take matters into their own hands and say otherwise?

If your a woman and you went to a deeply muslim country where all women wear Burkhas you'd be expected to at least cover your face with a veil, If you went strolling down to the market in your Bikini, like many do in spain and other hot countries, you'd be stoned to death.

Whilst your in their country you respect their religion, and they must respect others and not expect the law to change in their favor, whats so hard about that? :erm:
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So... why not pressure the Muslim countries to be more liberal with their laws? Surely its better to have everyone become more tolerant than justify becoming less tolerant with a tit for tat argument?
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So... why not pressure the Muslim countries to be more liberal with their laws? Surely its better to have everyone become more tolerant than justify becoming less tolerant with a tit for tat argument?
People have been trying to add pressure to these countries for years, it don't work, look at iran, some areas in afganistan, and pakistan. To them they live, eat and sleep their strict religion, Most will say its not our concern what religion they practice, but what is our concern is when they bring it to a mainly christian or catholic country and expect everone to change for them? its hardly fair, plus why go to a non muslim contry and risk hatred??

Perhaps a Life of benefits, Free Housing and healthcare?? If thats the case they are not doing it for religious reasons but for personal gain, Again that another example of using religion as an excuse. Am i wrong??
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lets stop beating around the bush.
France is its own country and as such is governed by French Law.
Now if france says its going to ban the Burkha then fair dues,as that will be there law,and if u live there then abide by it.If you dont like it then dont go there simple as.
Why all the discussing of it - you wont see any french ladies saying they want to carry on wearing the ` Burkha ` so it makes common sense to ban it.
These same people expect our women to dress up when they go to their countries,yet the same people want different rights when they are in a different country.
Yeah right................ Im with the french on this one.
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