vBulletin 4 Series Development Update

[COBRAws]

I still cant understand why I should pay for something I paid a few months ago that said:

Owned License Renewal
Purchasing this will renew your owned license. Doing so will extend your members' area access for 1 year, allowing you to download the latest versions of vBulletin.

Its like those contracts that say "we can change this contract in any way without letting you know".

It's not fair.

[forum4]

Well, I hope there are discounts anyways. It's silly to pay $180 and then a couple months later be asked to cough up another $190. If that's the case, I'd just wait till version 5

I really want the SEO, but I like my money to.

Might end up being a little patient anyways and wait for the designers to catch up and the bugs to get worked out.

[cad2go]

I'll be ditching the blogs and sticking on 3.8 until I have to pick between vb5 and whatever will inevitably springs up elsewhere.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by COBRAws

I still cant understand why I should pay for something I paid a few months ago that said:




Its like those contracts that say "we can change this contract in any way without letting you know".

It's not fair.

If it isn't fair, then why agree to the contact in the first place?

What I don't get is what do people think their missing out on? Software has to move forward, it can't remain stagnant. If you want to stay on 3.8, you can. But that doesn't mean they have to continue to support 3.8 indefinitely. And moving forward means change. I'm really surprised, but it seems that the generation of coders and forum admin are just as resistant to change as our ancestors were when introduced to the mail service, or when our parent's were introduced to email. If we want vB to keep up with technology, then we're going to have to make some sacrifices here and there.

[KevinL]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

If it isn't fair, then why agree to the contact in the first place?

What I don't get is what do people think their missing out on? Software has to move forward, it can't remain stagnant. If you want to stay on 3.8, you can. But that doesn't mean they have to continue to support 3.8 indefinitely. And moving forward means change. I'm really surprised, but it seems that the generation of coders and forum admin are just as resistant to change as our ancestors were when introduced to the mail service, or when our parent's were introduced to email. If we want vB to keep up with technology, then we're going to have to make some sacrifices here and there.

That would be way to easy

[Sugoi na]

Sorry but I just purchased 2 licenses no more than 2 months ago... If anyone should have a discount it's the poor saps like me who will end up paying $180x4 in under a 3-4 month span...

Maybe if I had my licenses for 2 years & the economy wasn't shot the way it is, then sure.. They need the cash. I will gladly assist but... for simply a face lift? It's not worth the price. I will be sitting this one out =/

[forum4]

Well, if they have a new version come out once or every other year, You'll be paying a lot more than you are now. Plus, at $40 a year, it's $10 less than 5 years worth of updates. Do we think version 4 will be around for 3 years let alone 5? That's what I'd be interested in. You know, how expensive will this really get for admins that want to keep their boards constantly updated?

I mean if there is already talk about a version 5, which I know I read somewhere.

[tlwwolfseye]

I agree. You can´t ask people that still do have their 1 year License running, where they paid for already, to buy it again within the time it was supposed to be included in the money they bought vB for. If its Version 4, 5 or 6, it doesn´t matter. When you buy a License for vB it doesn´t say that major Version Updates will cost extra. So you cant ask what you didn´t put into the contract in the first place.

If vBcms would have asked me to pay again when they switched from Version 1.x to 2.x, within the time I bought the license for, I would not have stayed with them. But they didn´t. So i suggest if you don´t want to loose a lot customers on the long run you give the Update to Version 4.x for free when a license is still valid. Except of course vB is like Valve, which means that they also can change what they want, when they want and you have to agree. But they at least pointed that out in their EULA from the start. No after suprise.

Just my 2 cent.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by Sugoi na

Sorry but I just purchased 2 licenses no more than 2 months ago... If anyone should have a discount it's the poor saps like me who will end up paying $180x4 in under a 3-4 month span...

Maybe if I had my licenses for 2 years & the economy wasn't shot the way it is, then sure.. They need the cash. I will gladly assist but... for simply a face lift? It's not worth the price. I will be sitting this one out =/

Yes, but, who's making you pay $180x4 in 3 month span? Your trying to maintain your old behaviors in a system that is fundamentally changing.

Originally Posted by tlwwolfseye

I agree. You can?t ask people that still do have their 1 year License running, where they paid for already, to buy it again within the time it was supposed to be included in the money they bought vB for. If its Version 4, 5 or 6, it doesn?t matter. When you buy a License for vB it doesn?t say that major Version Updates will cost extra. So you cant ask what you didn?t put into the contract in the first place.

If vBcms would have asked me to pay again when they switched from Version 1.x to 2.x, within the time I bought the license for, I would not have stayed with them. But they didn?t. So i suggest if you don?t want to loose a lot customers on the long run you give the Update to Version 4.x for free when a license is still valid. Except of course vB is like Valve, which means that they also can change what they want, when they want and you have to agree. But they at least pointed that out in their EULA from the start. No after suprise.

Just my 2 cent.

But you see, that's just the thing. You could be dealing with the most transparent and honorable service in history, and you would still be running the risk of a mid-shift policy change. This is why so many companies stagnate while upstarts move in under their noses. They worry so much about angering their base, that they fail to improve the quality of their product. vB is moving forward. It sucks, but ultimately, only sucks for a minority who got their licenses close to the new version (and we still haven't really heard what their going to do in those cases. I think we're jumping the gun here.) For the future of the product, sometimes you have to loose a few customers if your going to have any more or succeed as a business.

[IdanB]

personally i think (& hope) Jelsoft would allow us customers (specifically all of us who just purchased owned license in recent 2-3 months) to upgrade free of charge, or with some (VERY!) minor charge.

I myself have no plans to spend any big money in less than few months period again, it makes no sense to me to invest that much money in such short period since last purchase...