Graphic Requests area?

[cheat-master30]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

No. I am referring to an area for anyone to request images (mainly for their vbulletin boards) which is a free requesting area. This area would not be for requesting images that are found in the vbulletin.org database because the images located in that area are pre-made. requests here would be for images that could range from forum icons to logos, signatures and so forth. Or maybe an image that someone specifically wants to complement a certain style.

For example, I don't like a set of buttons that a styler implemented on a style so I would post a request (all free) for a set of buttons whilst filling out all the info so someone can come along and fill my request.

I suppose you could expand this to style requests though I doubt many people will have the time to create full blown styles and I doubt this would work out in the long term. Keep it simple, with image requests were members can request for images like buttons, icons signatures etc and before long the area will become very populour, self sustaining and require minimal moderation by the staff because I feel that many designers would be happy to help out and fill requests.

edit; At this time members cannot post for requests in the image database (and I feel they never should) because this is primarly a release area and people basically get what contributors post.

I think that's what he said. Modification Not Available is for free modification requests and ideas... and I'm assuming this would be for free image requests and ideas. Except maybe more like a mix of the modification not available forum and the requests for paid services forum.

[ChrisLM2001]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

For example, I don't like a set of buttons that a styler implemented on a style so I would post a request (all free) for a set of buttons whilst filling out all the info so someone can come along and fill my request.

I suppose you could expand this to style requests though I doubt many people will have the time to create full blown styles and I doubt this would work out in the long term.

Shelley, even a icon/button free forum will die quickly, because it's difficult to get even paid requests fulfilled. And there will be a plethora of free requests, so many that it'll be filled with hundreds of unanswered threads -- as you know folks will jump on a free anything. Then designers will be miffed in losing business.

I can see a paid requests forum surviving, but a "Plz do me a set of 3D glass buttons for 3 colors and styles...btw, I'm picky" forum will swamp even the good intentioned. Burn out will ensue, and there's not that many designers hanging out here.

[Dream]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

Requests For Paid Services

Do people even scratch themselves for 10 bucks on that forum? Anyway thanks for reminding me.

A free graphics requests area still could be nice though. But this is just a suggestion, don't treat me rudely because of it.

[ChrisLM2001]

Originally Posted by Dream

A free graphics requests area still could be nice though. But this is just a suggestion, don't treat me rudely because of it.

If it's design related, being rude to designers is policy with the culture of vBulletin. The real reason there's not many designers around, they do their best to keep them away with 10001 put downs and excuses. It's why I'm v-e-r-y abrasive in these topics, knowing the reaction it'll bring from experience (not that I'm truly abrasive). Only way to survive the onslaught, so I put on my USMC cover and wait with my trusty M14 for snipers.

Game forums of little known games have a larger graphics/design communities, because the attitude top/down is to encourage it (it benefits the game and growth). That's not the case with vBulletin. It's coders rule...and designers, don't worry your pretty little heads about it deal (basically what that vB dev told me last night about web standards).

That's the truth, why any change to help the design community will meet resistance and little help.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

This suggestion is currently under discussion by the Staff. Once we have come to a decission it will be posted here.

@ChrisLM2001
If your goal is to find every little thing you can complain about and immediate create a post on such a topic complaining how bad everything is: Continue how you are doing now.

If your goal is to improve things that are not optimal (yet) in your view, you might rethink your way of bringing such things under the attention.

[ChrisLM2001]

My goal is to work with vBulletin in a professional manner. That means to be treated professionally, and to have a product that aims to be professional. I wouldn't be here with vBulletin if I didn't like the product (who would like wasting their time stating the obvious?). To get to that point on the design side is to remind staff it's not just code that runs a forum, and point out the problems so it can be fixed. The design side needs "luving", too.

The posting combatness I have is due, from experience, in how staff reacts to design suggestions. Simple requests turn into morass of personal attacks and just plain rude commentary. I have v-e-r-y thick skin, so it doesn't phase me, but to others it can (most of the design community here are kids and very sensitive in proving themselves and building their portfolios). The same community that wants to create, and be proud of their creations with the vBulletin community, not be told to stand in their little corner and be good little dumb retards in their afterthought style corner.

The kids and adults see all this side sniping and feel the attitudes, Marco. They also can feel the status quo that died 5 years ago in other venues. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to sense the attitudes toward designers are at the least insulting here, bordering on the obnoxious.

If staff can't see that, maybe it's time that they understand why there's over 2,000 coders and less than 800 designers here -- and a zillion design questions on how to do this or that, that go unanswered, because the community ratio is so lopsided.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

You are totally wrong in your assumption that our staff treat designers different then coders (or "regular" members).

Also your "combatting" style of posting is most likely to give the opposite result as what you are intending. The result will be most likely (in the most positive case) be that staff just ignores and skips over your posts.

[ChrisLM2001]

They treat them differently, very differently, like treating designers not seriously. How many designers have asked in 3 years for web standard templates/design (nope, I'm not the only one, and I came quite late)? The vBCSS project (after I was banned even)? What was the reaction each and every time?

Marco, staff already overlooks design requests -- Eric Meyers could come in and post why this tabled layout would need to go the way of the Dodo, and they'd ignore or would argue against it. If some coding guru came around with a nifty idea, they'd be tripping over themselves to get the code implimented like yesterday (as the AJAX/plugins issue showed by example -- couldn't let Matt get that coding leg up).

Look what happened to vbulletin-templates? The website, with all the restrictions it had that designers could not modify code in any shape or size, just templates? Remember?

Very real oil and water, when we need to mix cocktails together.

[Paul M]

What exactly do you mean by "Staff already overlooks design requests" ?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by ChrisLM2001

They treat them differently, very differently, like treating designers not seriously. How many designers have asked in 3 years for web standard templates/design (nope, I'm not the only one, and I came quite late)? The vBCSS project (after I was banned even)? What was the reaction each and every time?

Marco, staff already overlooks design requests -- Eric Meyers could come in and post why this tabled layout would need to go the way of the Dodo, and they'd ignore or would argue against it. If some coding guru came around with a nifty idea, they'd be tripping over themselves to get the code implimented like yesterday (as the AJAX/plugins issue showed by example -- couldn't let Matt get that coding leg up).

Look what happened to vbulletin-templates? The website, with all the restrictions it had that designers could not modify code in any shape or size, just templates? Remember?

Very real oil and water, when we need to mix cocktails together.

I am sorry but i fail to see what all this got to do with vBulletin.org staff ignoring designers.