vbgeek's mods in vb.org?

[cheat-master30]

Originally Posted by Lizard King

Sorry but why such a shame ? This site is not as it used to be anymore and i know tons of people who doesn't visit vb.org anymore ( like me ) I seriously donot want that quality products will be released here and die slowly. I prefer another company purchase the rights of the scripts from Sam or wait him to solve the crisis matter at least 5-6 month. This site is not the old vb.org sorry to tell this but vb.org is dying eacy other day.

Dying every day? Is this another one of those members of an online forum who suddenly predict or talk of a site apocalypse? Seriously, I have seen this 'The site is dying and is falling apart' attitude too much before. Often also comes with leaving topics and threats of a mass exodus.

Oh, and most sites online are dead this time of year it seems. So what. Not an exclusive problem

Originally Posted by Lizard King

It has nothing to do with money in my case. My important case is that there are not enough good coders here anymore. People only care about their release level , admin powers etc... As i stated this site is dying and i don't want Sam's quality mods die with vb.org. This is all my opinion you may feel that vb.org is in perfect condition and i respect that.

Originally Posted by Lizard King

That is a very important sentence because it exactly show what is missing here. Community ...


Also I want to explain good coder : There are perfect coders still at vb.org but because of increasing number of support requests etc nobody wants to help anyone else. Most people care about their release level and lots of mods coding standarts are not good.

In vb 3 days my board was hacked to death now i only have couple small mods from here. Because when i check the code i really hesitate to install most of them.

If Sam will release the modifications here what may happen , we must concentrate on that. A un qualified coder will probably take the matter in his/her hands because this code will bring fame to him on vb.org and fame will return money via paid modifications forum. Gars is a really extensive product and it needs to be improved perfectly but our coder will not be able to do that. And soon or later the product will loose all the benefits it gives to users.

And why do you think an unqualified one may take it on rather than a qualified coder? Seriously, I have seen plenty of coders here release good modifications which seem well coded enough. I mean, for an example, have you honestly seen the vB Credits modifications? Seems well coded to me.

Besides, if someone bad did take it up, it's not as if it's the problem caused by releasing it here. Heck, a bad company could take up the mod and charge for it. What would you rather have, a badly coded modification you have to pay for or one you don't? Oh, and don't say there are not badly coded commercial modifications and software packages around, I know quite a few which are extremely poorly coded according to many, many people.

As for the general idea of releasing them here... It would be nice, but not urgent. I for one would only ever use the article system and the newsletter. Everything else seems like the stuff only relevant for a commercially run site.

[cynthetiq]

okay, so if there are no "good coders" here anymore where did they go?

did they stop coding all together? Or just leave because of board politics?

vb.org doesn't have any monopoly on where scripts originate from what I can see. it's not like anyone of these best coders created something like bestvbcoders.com forums.

all of us involved in forums know that personalities/characters fall off over years, sometimes it is because of life, others because of "it's not like the good old days" waxing nostalgic.

as we have recently had this convo on one of the forums I moderate, it is up to the community at large to contribute. It is up to the old timers to help the newbies adjust to the way that the community was chartered.

Stop waxing nostalgic about the past, and help preserve it in the future by contributing.

As far as GARS is concerned, I was seriously just contemplating purchasing it and sleeping on it overnight. I missed that window of opportunity, at the same time I'm glad because if I had any issues I'd not be able to have any help from the author. I can also see in their forums that their community isn't so responsive to the rest since it was mostly the geek who did the heavy lifting. He even complains about that himself in his crisis thread. Only upon the threat of turning over the scripts or abandoning them completely does anyone step forward.

[COBRAws]

Well, same thing happened to Psionic Vision, a guy who left vb.org due to the same reasons most coders left, opened a .com for selling his scripts, and now he closed doors.

At least Sam didn't ioncubed his phps. I hate those horrible copyright licenses, lets hope this doesnt happen with vBSEO, i use it and if it ceases to work, im gonna so much regret it!

Now taking the place of an eight year old kid, I would be sayin, "this wouldnt have happened if jelsoft listened for a while to all vb.org'ers for really big changes for future vb releases".

We wouldnt be needing hot selling scripts. At the moment, I believe that Invision's crew is working harder than Jelsoft's.

I know this thread is gonna be closed or deleted, vborg is way more diferent and authoritarian than 4-5 years ago, thats the "because" for so many questions.

[ShawnV]

/beats head on desk!

_V

[MRGTB]

Originally Posted by cynthetiq

okay, so if there are no "good coders" here anymore where did they go?

Most of the good coders did not like the idea when the site decided to introduce the "paid script service", they where mostly against this idea and decided they would not support hacks for free here anymore. Some where for the idea, but only because they saw this as an opertunity to stop offering help for free and instead charge people. Either way, it was a negative thing for getting free help here after that service was put in place.

Originally Posted by cynthetiq

did they stop coding all together? Or just leave because of board politics?

Same as above really. Some may still be here, but nothing like in the capacity is was before.

Originally Posted by cynthetiq

vb.org doesn't have any monopoly on where scripts originate from what I can see. it's not like anyone of these best coders created something like bestvbcoders.com forums.

No, but they do have the power if the scripts are advertised here too:
[1] Archive them.
[2] Remove them from download if they feel a security issue is found until the aurthor fixes them. What would happen if GARS was released here and vB.org felt there were issues to warrent removing it from download. SAm the aurthor would not be involved anymore as aurthor to fix the issues. So what happens in that situation?

Which means they have the power over the scripts once there released here really!

Originally Posted by cynthetiq

all of us involved in forums know that personalities/characters fall off over years, sometimes it is because of life, others because of "it's not like the good old days" waxing nostalgic.

Thats true, but it has been very obvious over the past six months or so that things have really changed around here since the "paid script service" was introduced. People are just not willing to give there help for free anymore like they used too. And because of this - people have started to lose interest in the site. It's just not the helpful site it once was where you could post a problem and get an answer the same day. To many people now see the paid script service as a way of making money and feel. Why offer free help anymore!

Originally Posted by cynthetiq

as we have recently had this convo on one of the forums I moderate, it is up to the community at large to contribute. It is up to the old timers to help the newbies adjust to the way that the community was chartered.

Stop waxing nostalgic about the past, and help preserve it in the future by contributing.

As far as GARS is concerned, I was seriously just contemplating purchasing it and sleeping on it overnight. I missed that window of opportunity, at the same time I'm glad because if I had any issues I'd not be able to have any help from the author. I can also see in their forums that their community isn't so responsive to the rest since it was mostly the geek who did the heavy lifting. He even complains about that himself in his crisis thread. Only upon the threat of turning over the scripts or abandoning them completely does anyone step forward.

But the guy was a top coder, yes it was a real struggle for him on his own to support them. But he was in a different class of coder. I have to agree in saying I do not think it would be such a good idea to release his hacks here for free for a lot of reasons. I personally feel he should try to find a skilled coder who is willing to take over the projects, and perhaps come to some agreement were he gets a small percentage of the sales from the new owner for everyone sold.

Lets face it. It sounds like he needs the money.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by MRGTB

Thats true, but it has been very obvious over the past six months or so that things have really changed around here since the "paid script service" was introduced.

Err, what is this 'paid script service' we introduced (six months ago ?) that you seem so obsessed about

[MRGTB]

Well maybe you have another word for it. Like Paid services etc

[Paul M]

If you mean the Service Requests forum (Currently called Paid Requests I think) which is the only thing I can think of, that was introduced 4.5 years ago.

[Brad]

Most of the good coders did not like the idea when the site decided to introduce the "paid script service", they where mostly against this idea and decided they would not support hacks for free here anymore. Some where for the idea, but only because they saw this as an opertunity to stop offering help for free and instead charge people. Either way, it was a negative thing for getting free help here after that service was put in place.

Most of the "good coders" I know build websites for people these days. Most of them don't have their own business, they just write code when requested assuming they're working for themselves.

What's happened to this community is there aren't enough teachers. There are too many new customers signing up here daily and there is no way we could teach them all the tricks of the trade. There is also the issue of people that simply don't want to learn but love to argue about things they don't fully understand.

[unenergizer]

I agree with Lizard King! I don't want his scripts to be abused and misused on this board. Everyone wants to take advantage of his family crisis so they can benefit from his work. I think this is wrong. I want these scripts to stay original. Not because I purchased them, but rather because I value the authors work and time.

I hate it how everyone wants them released here because of what he is going through. Everyone just wants to take advantage of this like it's some kind of opportunity for them. I only want the scripts I paid for. I don't expect anything more from the geek. All of you should be ashamed that you are pressing for this.

I only wish him, his family, and his company the best of luck. Personally, I don't mind if these scripts aren't ever released again. Though hopefully the geek comes up with a solution, even if it takes a year or more.

Stop counting on his problems to benefit you. That is selfish and disrespectful. :down: