vb compared to the newer ipb?

[y2ksw]

I don't know ... it took me years to understand fully vBulletin, and after comparing to all other boards I still think it's a great choice. Sure - one day or another, some of the other boards may go over the top with some feature, but I'm also sure the vBulletin developers will evaluate to add that feature later.

[cheat-master30]

Originally Posted by thenewuser

Okay, vb is a super popular paid forum system. 90% of the forums I go to are vb. You guys are making bank.

This is my friends new site, powered by IP.Board.

This site is a brand new install with ONE tiny mp3 mod installed.

LOOK at that! Clean, beautiful default skin, wonderful AJAX powered complex profile system, full user file upload system, full gallery system, with video support and yada yada.

The 'beautiful skin' is an opinion thing. There are many here who like vBulletin's default style more. Heck, there are even those who like the version 2 style for phpBB more and those who like the UBB default skin more. AJAX isn't everything. The profiles, while complex I think personally look horrible, over cluttered and non designed. I also hate Myspace profiles if that means anything to you. Not sure about what you mean by the full user file upload, you can already upload files. The gallery costs extra and is an extra add on product, not free with Invision Power Board. Video support is extremely easy, and requires simple BB code additions.

Granted, some of their stuff by default is cool, but lots is just the equivalent of getting a few free simple hacks or BB code or template changes from here.

Why hasn't vb updated their software with stuff like this? I am beginning to wish I had started my new site with IPb instead...

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=224446

They are adding similar stuff. And since most stuff is basic modifications, they will probably be in there sooner or later.

Arg. Can we expect updates like this? If not then my next site, which I'll start in 2 or 3 months, will have to be IPb instead, even though I'm "set in my ways" with vb. I will be willing to learn a whole new system for the "cleaner" features for the users.

Sorry, if this sounds like a flame, I love vb, I must, I own 3 medium sized forums. It's just, how can I be expected to use it when this kid who just freshly installed a cheaper forum software and it looks and has more abilities than most of the vB forums out there?

Management, style and promotion are as, if not more important than features, and content beats all of them. Features are not the be all end of all of success, I know from seeing forums succeed and fail before when I visited them for some reason or another.

I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way but maybe I am. If no one agrees then I'll shut up and put up.

Originally Posted by thenewuser

eh, the replies stink of fan-boy like text. I never said I "hated" vb, I actually like it but this software seems to be dependent on "free, sorta supported, community mods" and not code by the professionals at the vb team. The only major additions to vb itself in the last years have been quick quote and ajax quick replies.

Why do you expect a non biased answer on an official forum? Seriously, re posted from my own forum where I said about this to someone:

Originally Posted by Me, some other time

Why do people honestly expect non biased answers...

... on forums/boards for the product/game they are asking about? I mean, all those who go and ask 'Is this game worth it?' on the Gamefaqs Mario 64 DS board or ask whether Mario 64 DS or [insert other game] is better, do they honestly think they'll get a neutral answer? I mean, they are practically talking to the biggest fans of the product ever if they go to a forum about it, or the official forums. And official forums! They honestly go to the official vBulletin support forum and ask 'Should I buy vBulletin or Invision Power Board?' Don't they notice the glaring title, website address, forum name and everything else? You won't get neutral opinions on official forums or those for the product you are enquiring about, as those that dislike the product will be few and far between on the forums there.

The fact that I have to pay $120+ for photopost to get a nice (it's not very nice, support staff acts like "why are you bothering important me?") video support and ipb comes with it for free pisses me off.

But, whatever, I'm set in my ways and no longer have time to screw around with new forum software. It's just, my friend had a choice, vb or ipb, he compared, he went with ipb and it looks like he made the right choice.

What will other newbie forum owners choose? Again, this isn't a flame thread, it's just a concered forum owner wanting the best for his customers and future customers on future sites...

No one was offended, or flamed or anything as far as I can tell. Besides, you also have to consider which of these forum software packages has the best support, and which has the best community and such. And many people I have heard say vBulletin for this is better compared to Invision Power Board.

[antialiasis]

One thing that has always rather bothered me about vBulletin in comparison to other forum software is how clumsy its AJAX implementation is. I'm not complaining that there ought to be more or less of it, but that it feels slow and clunky to use. When I press the Post Quick Reply button to post this, I'll see a momentary "Please wait" message and then the post will appear on the bottom of the thread in a slow and clunky manner, and if I want to edit it afterwards, I'll press Edit and have the edit box appear slowly and clunkily in place of the post. Even at a free board like MyBB it looks a lot neater somehow. :/

Originally Posted by thenewuser

eh, the replies stink of fan-boy like text.

Eh, your reply sounds like you're set in your opinion and you're trolling for arguments. What did you expect on a vB forum? Everyone to resoundingly say "Yeah, IPB is better"? If you're looking for fanboy-like text, look no further than your own post.

The site you linked looks like a generic forum with a generic portal and an easily coded bit of AJAX for swapping windows out. It's hardly groundbreaking and something I'd be apt to drop vB for.

Originally Posted by cheat-master-30

No one was offended, or flamed or anything as far as I can tell. Besides, you also have to consider which of these forum software packages has the best support, and which has the best community and such. And many people I have heard say vBulletin for this is better compared to Invision Power Board.

I agree. I've run three boards over the million post mark, and my current project is at 500k. I consider myself an experienced forum admin as well as a half decent coder, and vB is the only thing I'll run on my sites. My only gripe (if you can call it that) is that I'd like to see a fully CSS version of vB in lieu of tables.

[cheat-master30]

Originally Posted by Chris-777

Eh, your reply sounds like you're set in your opinion and you're trolling for arguments. What did you expect on a vB forum? Everyone to resoundingly say "Yeah, IPB is better"? If you're looking for fanboy-like text, look no further than your own post.

The site you linked looks like a generic forum with a generic portal and an easily coded bit of AJAX for swapping windows out. It's hardly groundbreaking and something I'd be apt to drop vB for.



I agree. I've run three boards over the million post mark, and my current project is at 500k. I consider myself an experienced forum admin as well as a half decent coder, and vB is the only thing I'll run on my sites. My only gripe (if you can call it that) is that I'd like to see a fully CSS version of vB in lieu of tables.

I would also like to vBulletin with no/few tables and CSS layout control. And a lot of people's arguments against it may be older browsers, but the idea of CSS layout and such is for forward compatibility and only working effect in older browsers rather than being tied down to Internet Explorer 4-5 and earlier versions of Netscape.

If they are not at least using Internet Explorer 5, companies should stop trying to give them a perfectly exact layout than to modern browsers.

[dtv100]

Originally Posted by thenewuser

eh, the replies stink of fan-boy like text.

He even edit his original post and then start acting offended by us.
I guess i was the one call fanboy oh well is better than be a troll .

Originally Posted by Chris-777

The site you linked looks like a generic forum with a generic portal and an easily coded bit of AJAX for swapping windows out. It's hardly groundbreaking and something I'd be apt to drop vB for.

I agree 100% nothing to make me feel I want to change forum software.
vbuelletin the best there is The best there was And the best there ever will be You know it.:up::up::up::up::up:

[EJRaven]

When I was deciding which forum software I was going to support first for my initial software release at Raven Technologies, I came across two problems:

Wordpress forum support was poor and that vBulletin didn't have a Social Networking system like IPB, so I started writing and researching about these two issues. The result were two solutions that will be release as product and free limited versions.

Wordpress Social Network System, I will talk about this later on.

[thenewuser]

"He even edit his original post and then start acting offended by us."

Eh? I'm not into the whole forum drama thing, I just wanted to express my concern over this.

EJRaven, sir, you've got my attention!

Like I said, I still like vb, I just... I just want it all and can ya blame me?

[phenetic]

Originally Posted by dtv100

vbuelletin the best there is The best there was And the best there ever will be You know it.:up::up::up::up::up:

the Bret Hart of forums if you will

none the less I hated IPB, I cant tell you how many exploits that thing has...not to mention that the mod and skinning community there is pretty much dead

[iHostile]

Well here's my 2cents lol

I started off with IPB afew years ago, Well....I started to help a friend out with a board cause he got stuck ( mods ), so i had a random go at it and made them work ( shock horror lol )... So i thought to myself *umm id make a forum for a laugh* got into it quite well, then got hacked left right and centre which made me stop runnin a forum, Then i found out about vBulletin.. at 1st i thought nah aint going to like this one bit, afew months a brought a licence, made afew forums, It's all down the choice, personally alot of people do like IPB more i do abit, but when it comes to mods i just cant bare the though of sitting there for like an or so editin 7 files files just for one mod to work lol! Bet bit about vBulletin is "import product" done, maybe one or 2 skin edits but thats nothing compared to IPB lol

So, moral of the story is?

If you want a simple life choose > vBulletin

If you wanna sit for hrs doing mods and being hacked due to exploits > pick IPB