Suggestions: How to bring vBulletin.org back to what it was before...

[TECK]

I'm going to open this thread, in hope that the old school coders will listen to me and try to make an arangement with the current vBulletin.org "business" administration.
In other words, they will start to participate in the forum activities, if they see significant improvements.
If you do not post in this thread, that means you do like the way it is now the community.
But if there is the smallest thing you would like to see it changed, you should raise your voice and post your thoughts.

I will start by posting how it was vBulletin.org ruled, before it started to fall apart.
The term Hacker was not a crime in the old days. A Hacker used to be a great guy/girl who helped others until his/her fingers hurt typing.

Basic Rules:
1. No paying hacks allowed. If you want to make money, you are not welcome to advertise your products at vB.org site, in links, any way or shape of promotion schemes.
2. No bashing or making fun of the new guys. Warnings and bans for those smart guys.
3. Politness is a must. You want to be rude or insultant, come back when you know how to say sorry in front of everyone and admit your mistakes. Do you really think a hacker will care that you like only plugins, being lazy to edit 2-3 lines of code in the actual VB files? He will look at you like a negative guy, not giving the smallest effort to learn something new. So why do you have to make posts like: I will never install this hack, because I only install plugins... In other words, you just said that the hours the hacker spent to create the code hack are worth crap in your eyes.
4. Help anyone, not only yourself. Do not be lazy to post, if you know the answer... someone will thank you and help you with other things... like for example promoting your website?
5. Encourage others in their work. Do you see someone working hard on a project or piece of code? Offer your help if you have the time to do it. They will be grateful.

Site Organisation:
1. This site was created for the hackers to share their vBulletin code into a safe environment. I never liked the idea of having templates or graphic forums.
We are here to create PHP and vBulletin hacks, not to make flower design or learn HTML. Those forums should be located at vBulletin.com site. With only 46 threads started into those forums, you have the answer by yourself.
2. We should see all the forums visible on the front page, like the old times. Not to navigate through a zillion forums until I get to the hack that I'm looking for. The old hack database should be written again.
3. A team of vBulletin programmers should be assigned for the site maintenance only, it should not be a burden for administrators to edit and upgrade every time to the latest vBulletin version.

Now, I invite all hackers to post their wishes, in this way we might have a chance to revive the community that is going down very fast, as we speak.
We would like to see some decissions taken, and very fast.
If you agree with my wishes, please post here and don't forget to add yours.
Hopefully we will be able to save the vB.org Titanic from sinking.

EDIT: If you think is useful, move this thread to Annoncements forum.
I want to see if others will participate in this discussion. If you don't, I guess we all have the answer what will happen to vB.org site.

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[Reeve of shinra]

I agree with all your points except perhaps the first one.

I am not sure where I stand on the paid mod thing but lets put that aside for a second... if a mod is a good idea and seems popular, lets put some group energy into making one for the community here.

edit: I do like having template and graphics forums on here to provide a consolidated resource. Chances are, someone making a hack may need assistance with templates, etc.

[TECK]

Originally Posted by Reeve of shinra

I agree with all your points except perhaps the first one.

Reeve, I know is a delicate matter... But those were the rules on the old times.
A hacker should never charge someone for a hack, especially when it was made using the vBulletin code techniques.
In other words, I look at the vBulletin code, learn from it and then I create a hack that will work with vB, based on the vBulletin functions... then I start charging. Where is the fairness in this?
Hey, the vBulletin should charge me money for using their code property or techniques, right?

If you make a hack that does not use one single line of vB code or technique, then yes, you can sell it. But I doubt there are any paying hacks like that out there...

Originally Posted by Reeve of shinra

I do like having template and graphics forums on here to provide a consolidated resource. Chances are, someone making a hack may need assistance with templates, etc.

Very good point, those questions were adressed in the hack thread by the creator or other fellow hackers.
I was trying to put emphasis that vB.org was a hacker community. The general HTML and design questions should be answered to vBulletin.com site, since they don't interfere with any code hacking.

[Boofo]

Another rules you should add, Floren, is for those that are looking for answers to READ THE THREAD before asking questions that will most likely have been answered in that thread already. Too many users here come up with the crap "I just don't have time to read the thread" or "there are 15 pages, I don't want to have to read through the whole thread." In the old days there were sometimes 50 pages and more, but we read through them and even learned a few things along the way.

As for your idea, it is a great one but a little too late with the mentality here now, I'm afraid.

[TECK]

Bobby, we will see how people react. Hey, it's worth trying.

Also, the rule you posted it was part of the old community.
Those are not my rules, everyone have the right to post and interact in this thread.
I have as much rights to post something in this thread, as the new guy who just stepped into our community.
Way back, hackers were listening to everyone and embraced their ideas in all the constructive possible ways.

I dare you guys to call me a hacker, not a coder.
I already started feeling a little like in the old days, don't you think Bobby?

To bad, TeckWizards.com is gone... I will open a new site were we can all meet and discuss, if things will not change. I promise you, it will be greater then the old one.

[Chris M]

I still call them hacks - We are hackers, people these days are coders :ermm:

It would be interesting to see what would happen if we rolled back .org to 2 years ago and see if we can continue on properly from there, but thats just me lol...

I miss the old days

Now to go to sleep since I've been up for 49 hours >.>

Chris

[Reeve of shinra]

pfft, your getting old Chris if your complaining about not having any sleep over a weekend.

[TECK]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Now to go to sleep since I've been up for 49 hours

Haha, now we are talking as hackers! Welcome back Chris!

[Chris M]

Hehe theres only so much red bull and coffee and coke and all sorts of other highly caffeinated drinks you can consume before you feel ill and end up drifting off...

It's worse when you've been driving over 100 miles at 4am to get home

Chris

[DementedMindz]

nice thread TECK i wasnt around then but from what i have heard and read it was a much nicer place then... hey if it was nice then why not try it over again? cause things around here have been getting bad.. i am all for the vb.org not having paid hacks too.. maybe not as far as saying they cant come here but surely not spam there products... ill say one of the most spammed i think on here is that vbseo... there is links in his hacks links every where for that in his threads... i heard and seen enough of that... but i also do think if they want to do the whole paid thing they should at least have to give some kinda money back to vbulletin since its really vbulletin thats making them there money... then maybe they could hire some permant staff to watch over this site too... but thats just my thoughts im sure ill get a hell of alot of negative people posting replys for this... BUT oh well just my thoughts and how i feel...