Code Out

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by chatbum

lol aww. :P

Sorry about that.

[Freesteyelz]

Originally Posted by hambil

Our code, contributed freely, is the only power we have. When negotiations break down, and nothing changes over a considerable amount of time, and coders are treated with disrespect by staff, what else is there to do?

What I saw in the opening of several threads relating to this subject isn't what I call "negotiating".

[Oblivion Knight]

Originally Posted by Tralala

Well that moderator's sleepin' on the job. This hack thread had its attachment removed long ago, yet the thread remains. I'm sure there are plenty more.

If a file-less release isn't reported, then chances are we won't notice it.

At present, we simply don't have the time or resources to regularly check up on every modification that is released.

Originally Posted by Tralala

You're telling me it's the mod's job to delete attachment-less hack threads and all the hundreds of posts of valuable information and support, and it's okay for them to do so a mere 12 hours after the attachment has been taken down?

If that's the case, the "job" needs to be reviewed.

This harms the users and the community too. I contributed to those threads too, still have those hacks installed, and would like to review the information there. If JumpD never came back, then I'm denied that information forever?

That's stupid.

Some of his threads had thousands of posts! LOCK the threads if you want, but don't DELETE them.

It's an absurd move. You embarrass yourself by defending it.

As has been mentioned already, JumpD appeared to be taking more than a "breather" by the messages that had been left, the actions taken and the line in his signature "I was never here". The deletion of his threads was not personal, nor meant to be offensive to the contributions that he has made.

The policy on deleting withdrawn releases will be reviewed after the feedback that you, and others have given us. However, nothing is likely to be changed until the "meeting" has taken place..

[Corriewf]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Stop it. You guys are scaring me with all this talk of death. :cross-eyed:

ahahha thats cause your old boobyfoo!

[Logikos]

I think the staff has recived quite enough criticism for one week. Like OK said, there is going to be a meeting on wensday about all of the issues here on vBOrg.

I think the best thing to do now is to wait for the outcome of the meeting. I'm confident enough to think that Jelsoft will handle these issues accordenly. I'm sure once things start to take a turn soon, that you will see these hacks restored in no time.

I personally understand whats going on with the hacks as I have had my hacks removed by choice also. I removed the attachments and stated that I wasn't going to support these hacks anymore. The staff did what should have been done and remove them. The reason why Jumps hacks were removed 'quicker' then others is because his decision was publicly addressed, there for more staff members had the opportunity to know about the situation.

See this post here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....7&postcount=10. There already looking for away to host these abandon hacks.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Since i was the Staff member that did remove the threads by JumpD (it could have been any other Staff member), i would like to clarify somthing that seems to cause confusion:

It is normal policy, and has been as long as i remember, that the threads of modifications that are removed (ie. file deleted) are removed as immediate after Staff notice it, there is no waiting time if it is clear that the author withdrew it on purpose. Only exception to this is if Staff isn't sure if the attachments where deleted on purpose or accidentally ommited, in that case we ask the author to clarify the situation and give him some time (usually a week) to respond. In this special case we already waited until the next day, which is more time then we usually give.

This policy have been followed for years without any (major) protest. Since this policy is now challenged, we are discussing if it needs to be changed, but that don't change the fact that it was the normal policy at time of action.

To all that request the threads to be restored, this will not happen. They will only be restored if the original author request so because he want these modification to be released again (uness we change policy).

Originally Posted by LiveWire

I think the staff has recived quite enough criticism for one week.

Better get it all out now and get it over with.

Originally Posted by LiveWire

Like OK said, there is going to be a meeting on wensday about all of the issues here on vBOrg.

The meeting on wednesday is an internal Jelsoft meeting, and as far as i know one of the issues on the agenda is the situation on vbulltin.org. There will be no vbulletin.org members attending this meeting.

In this meeting they will (probably) discuss how and when they can arrange a meeting with all the parties involved in vbulletin.org to address the current situation and how to improve it.


PS Let me throw some more oil on this fire, recently the same happened with most of the hacks released by Nexialys, unless i missed some posts, nobody ever made an issue out of that.

[Logikos]

I've always remember this being the policy and I personally have no problem with what you have done with his post. It seems that it is now an issue and I'm happy to know that you guys are looking into the current policy and maybe changing it as you see fit.

Thanks for clearing up the whole meeting thing. I am happy to know that they will at least talk about whats going on over here. I belive a better relasionship between the two sites here is something that is needed, and hopefully that is soon to come.

[Ziki]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Sorry, but I would never do this anyway - I just don't think this is the right way to get change.

with so many installs I wouldn't even think about quitting

[Paul M]

Until today I would have said it unlikely I would leave in the next year or two, sadly that's not the case anymore.

[MPDev]

Hey, Paul; I have a couple of your mods installed and would hope that you would just see this as a speed-bump in an otherwise unblemished history on this site.

I can understand how you might be upset that it went down like this, but maybe you can see it from their perspective that even the appearence of something malicious could in itself be cause for alarm. They tried to handle it privately while being expedious in trying to protect their members; I've never seen something like this before on the site, so they were figuring it out as they went. Lessons learned on both sides I am sure.

Try not to take it personal and, hopefully, get back to what it is about the site that brought you here and made you such a valuable contributor in the first place.

Cheers.