GAVE UP

[Disco_Stu]

Hey K4GAP, check out some of my QSL cards on my site

[K4GAP]

Originally Posted by Disco_Stu

Hey K4GAP, check out some of my QSL cards on my site

Link?

[Disco_Stu]

Originally Posted by K4GAP

Link?

www.pjksoftware.com

[rhody401]

IMO 4.2.x is a fine and stable product. (I run a few large ones and they are rock solid reliable) 5.x isn't ready for prime time yet, IMO, and is very slow. and 3.x has a VERY dated look, and is slowly being ignored by developers since it is being phased out/retired. Developers are probably focusing on 4.x, 5.x and other competing products.

There was no reason to give up, imo, nor is there a flaw/cause for blame in 4.x the product. (other than it being virtually ignored in favor of 5.x development) It sounds more like you had a problem with some very old custom mods in the 3.x environment, which needed to be replaced/updated in the newer 4.x environment. If so, that's a legitimate problem - but this thread was probably not deserved. (it implies that 4.x is broken somehow)

As far as I recall, all of the recent exploits were found in all supported versions of the product. (3 4 5)

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Disco_Stu

vBulletin is what you make it. If you don't like something about it then change it. I've changed so many templates and php files that I'm not sure if the majority of the code is VB or mine.

I added a lot of jquery, flash, javascript, php, etc. and my site has a lot of images that are not optimized in any way. Yeah I'm sure my site loads slowly but I provide my users with an MP3 player packed with over 300 hits songs (all legal - I pay the licensing fees) for free as an incentive for them to visit my site. I don't think they mind if the initial page takes an extra second or 2 to load.

I consider my site a proof of concept project that I enjoy working on from time to time. I'm not sure what all these issues with 4.2 are that you keep mentioning. It works fine for me. That's why I'll never upgrade.

If you want to look at my site (and say it sucks) feel free. You will need to register to use the MP3 player or post in the forum. By the way, the forum will not have many posts in it because it is not the main focus of my site. I found that vBulletin can be used to create more than just forum sites.

www.pjksoftware.com


fyi...you will need to use Firefox or Chrome. The are incompatibilities with some of my code with IE which I am working on

Very good points and well presented.

[K4GAP]

Originally Posted by Disco_Stu

www.pjksoftware.com

Got it, nice.

[cellarius]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

does have a bloated database [...]

It just is what it is.

You see - you already claimed that. I asked you to elaborate. Just repeating the claim and adding a non-statement like "it is what it is" makes me think you have no point to make at all there.

Given the database of vB3 and vB4 is pretty much identical apart from CMS and blog tables - no surprise there, really.

[Disco_Dave]

Starting to look like Facts are fiction. I still think vB4 Feels great

[Disco_Stu]

I guess the real issue is that some folks view vBulletin as an end product and get upset when it doesn't do exactly what they want it to do while others view vBulletin as a starting point and a good development tool.

It's like buying a new car and getting mad because the radio is not programmed for your favorite stations while others will read the manual and learn how to program it for themselves.

I purchased the full package including CMS and branding free option. I really didn't care for CMS so I only use it as a tool to create the CMS widget (the one on the left on my site - the right is a forum block widget). I then added some code for the fade out and collapse functions and a plugin to allow the CMS widget to be available on almost all the pages in my site. Now I have dual multifunctional collapsible widgets on most pages which is something vBulletin does not come with.

The point I'm trying to make is if you can code then change the package to do whatever you want it to do. If you can't code then accept it as it is or pay someone to change it. Complaining about it all day long will change nothing except your standing in these forums.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by cellarius

You see - you already claimed that. I asked you to elaborate. Just repeating the claim and adding a non-statement like "it is what it is" makes me think you have no point to make at all there.

Given the database of vB3 and vB4 is pretty much identical apart from CMS and blog tables - no surprise there, really.

Except, they're not pretty much identical. v4 has many more tables and a much larger size of db, mainly due to all the "new" features in it that are actually ports of Mods and plugins that were made for v3. And it's clunky.