Ha Ha, Only in the UK :-)

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

But not because of the Labour govt, but because some very pushy financial types managed to cause a credit-crunch conflagration, and the govt had to pour money in to save the entire economy.

Those pushers of "financial instruments" and subprime mortgage sales have caused far more damage to you and me than young street thugs ever will.

Tim , This has nothing to do with the Credit Crunch, before all that, labour have nearly doubled the Taxes that the average UK Taxpayer pays, Through Stealth Taxes and charges.

Just do a search on google "UK Taxes under labour", Its quite Frightening

Anyway Lets not panic too much about the HRA, But move on to my Second Story of the night....

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....6&postcount=18

Fancy Illegal imigrants getting ?1700 (2000 euro's) of UK Tax money in france to go home, without setting a single foot on UK soil.

Are we wasting money here, Will it encourage more illegals to join the line for this free payout??

Your thoughts as always

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

There are people who like to dictate notes and feel that the judge will always make the correct choice. People that basically sit on the fence that know nothing and/or experienced nothing. Type of people that basically live in a fairy tale world.

Marco, if you knew what kind of impact knife crime does to the victim you may have a case but I can honestly say I feel your the type that has experienced much in the way of knife/gun crime. Even with the evidence all set to commit the criminal they only need to use the human rights act (I call it abusing it) you may call it creative thinking? I dunno, you never really said apart from pointing out other peoples concerns in this thread though you seem to sit on the fence about a criminal that has probably wrecked multiple peoples lives.

Confidence in judges in the UK is low. Has been for a long time now. Might be different from where you are but in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act and of course the infamous "I'm ++++ing insane" I should be put into a luxury, low security hotel and kill again on day release.

I'd love for you too stay a week in my town and your view of things would change in a heart beat. Judging by your comments and not coming from the united kingdom I'd guess you know nothing about the justice system here and how criminals benefit from the outcome of trials which 9/10 are a complete farce.

I know I said it would be my last comment but people who sit on the fence i find to be cowards at the best times.

edit: Didn't the immigrants enter the uk two or three days ago uklive?

Shelley what i have experienced has nothing to do with the only point i ever wanted to make in this thread: People are being asked, and are too much happy to comply, to base an opinion on biased and incomplete information.

Nowehere i have said that i agreed with either the criminal, nor the policeman. All i am saying is that if you want to make a case, provide the information needed to base an opinion on. And in the original post this was not the case.

You can continue trying to provoke me into taking a position on the topic you want, but i am not getting myself mixed up in that.

[Shelley_c]

Your asking me to provide additional information when uklive has posted the info and still your saying you won't get mixed up or debate? Why even ask then? Aren't you provoking a response then?

I could post various cases on human rights act being abused which doesn't relate directly to this case but is similar to cases of the humans right act being abused.

Then I get some response that I'm abusing you from Tim? You seriously have to laugh. Why ask? if your taking a stance on standing on the fence.

All the information is in this thread marco. And, FYI, If your now taking a stance on standing on the fence again why even ask me?

[lasto]

well my view is :

regardless if the cop swore at him after he was arrested - who really cares.
The cops should of got him in the cell and kicked seven tonnes of crap out of him and then strapped him in a chair and tortured him for the next few hours.
Dont sound nice does it - well neither does the crimes they commit on innocent people.Remember for every crime there an innocent Victim,but who cares about victims these days ?
I myself believe the police should have more powers (not less) - and yes i would gladly pay more tax towards more prisons being built but on thinking about it - if we never gave as much away to other countries and took care of ourself first then we proberly would`nt be in this mess in the 1st place.

Anyway back on topic - marco u are wrong and its do gooders like you that make the system what it is.If a cop swears at you or abuses you take it on the chin - remember this man is the criminal and sometimes they need taking down a peg or two and put back into their place.
2 many do gooders in the world thats half the problem and the other half of the problem is everyone has gone PC.

[Oyobiia]

I swear to god the police here in the UK need to go medieval or give them guns, that guy could of been sorted out in 10 mins with a bullet between the eye.

[lasto]

Originally Posted by Oyobiia

I swear to god the police here in the UK need to go medieval or give them guns, that guy could of been sorted out in 10 mins with a bullet between the eye.

well said but it never going to happen because the police are controlled by bureaucrats who have no back bone.
How far does crime has to go before they decide the current system is not working - also sending people to prison for a few years holiday is not the answer.We need to make them work and hate the prospect of going to jail as it will be their worst nightmare.
Then we need to bring back borstals for the young hooligans running the street and if they are at a certain age,hand them to the army to instill some discipline into them.
Treat women and men the same - One rule,One law

[Shelley_c]

While the fence is reminisce to the great wall of china the people which lack a backbone. When and if they experience their own being murdered, child raped then they'll quote documents and ask for statistics. At the moment these kind of people don't need the justice system to serve society as whole because the spineless gits have had an easy life with a silver spoon (I almost feel sorry for their siblings) almost because they learn from their spineless parents who think because they work for a company that they are untouchable and/or they haven't experienced what hardship can bring.


I am a true believer that every dog will have his/her day and when that day comes they will scream from the rafters about how miserable the justice system is and how it hasn't served them the way they wish that it had.

Of course, I'll be laughing at them. Gloating and with a nice quote what goes around comes around.

Bring back the gas chambers, gas them to death a kind of mass cull but a cull that actually serves a purpose.

[UKBusinessLive]

The UK has now more 16 to 25 year olds unemployed than at any other time, Why don't they bring back National Service, Quite a lot of european countries have National Service, I know Spain has.

Rather than Pay them for doing nothing, why not send them to do National Service, It will instill disapline and provide a boost for the Armed services as well as teaching them a trade. (Remember the Army has about 100 or so different jobs!!)

Plus any Imigrants that come over here for citizenship, should do a spell of National Service as part of their induction, If they want to live in england they can defend it too

Makes sense in my books

[students_forum]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

Confidence in judges in the UK is low. Has been for a long time now. Might be different from where you are but in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act and of course the infamous "I'm ++++ing insane" I should be put into a luxury, low security hotel and kill again on day release.

This is not only absolute rubbish, but shamefully defeats the object of what a debate is. Either back up your comments with at least the tiniest hint of research or don't make any statements at all.

In my understanding of the British legal system (as a law student) I am immensely proud of it. That is the sentiment shared across the world, which is why the common law is the legal system most companies & corporations around the world choose to deal in.

Now, the insanity criminal laws are heavy, to say the least. And require, medical evidence ... so it isn't some form of excuse that anyone can get. In fact, many criminals would rather go inside than to be labelled insane! Of course, you're failing to realise the poor people you'd be denying a defence when they genuinely need it. Therein lies your problem. You take a general rule that seems to function pretty well and look at a few isolated and rare incidents were it didn't work and think the rule should be disposed off ..

I have never heard of killers being given two year sentences, naturally you won't provide any evidence ... so I'll simply move on and make my last comment that you haven't got a clue just how empowering the Human Rights Act is to you and I.

Only recently, the House of Lords senior judges voted that secret evidence obtained through tortured means can't be used against anyone. You, me and any other person in a court should be given a fair trial and a chance to defend yourself against what you have been accused of. The Human Rights Act guarantees that right and gives the judges the right to enforce it. In other words, the state can't take it away from you. And anyone who is prepared to deny people this basic right, is no different to the terrorist at-the-end-of-the-day in what the aim to achieve.

[Shelley_c]

Again your in denial. Your quoting what? google?. My friend was killed and the killer served two years after running home getting the knife (pre-meditated) and let off by pleading he was bullied as a kid and got a lighter sentence, he bullied people as a kid.

So you've never heard of a case there's one case. Your quoting crap again. again, get your head out those scriptures and start living in the real world.

Your not from the uk are you? when i say that I say you wern't born in the uk?