Trusted Coder/Designer Scheme for VB.org

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Spank

If you are selling a 50" Plasma TV for sale for $250, and someone says to you "I'll take the telly. Give it to me and I'll go get the cash"

It's not just the people requesting the work being done that are getting scammed. A few months ago I spent 3 hours sorting out someone's database after quoting a very cheap price. I did the work and haven't heard from the guy since.

I think that's why some coders want at least some cash up front before doing the work. Why should the coder trust the client if the client doesn't trust the coder?

Thats True, In fact, coming to think about it what guarantee's does a coder have that he'll get paid??? at all.

The only alternative is using an escrow service and paying a bit extra to get a 3rd party involved But thats gonna make the whole concept of coder / client
into a more expensive mode.

Send them their code via a password protected zip file, when the coder get paid, they get the password??

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

Send them their code via a password protected zip file, when the coder get paid, they get the password??

i personally have a default / demo forum where i display the work... it works there, so the client pay, then i deliver... the code can not be copied that way.

but escrow is also a good way to deal with the money side... sometimes it's not money, it may be something like stealing a database via a backdoor script in the product file, it can be a resell of the hack you paid millions for the exclusivity... there is a lot of ways a client can be scammed, and the same for a coder ...

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by nexialys

i personally have a default / demo forum where i display the work... it works there, so the client pay, then i deliver... the code can not be copied that way.

but escrow is also a good way to deal with the money side... sometimes it's not money, it may be something like stealing a database via a backdoor script in the product file, it can be a resell of the hack you paid millions for the exclusivity... there is a lot of ways a client can be scammed, and the same for a coder ...

In Europe theres an escrow service http://www.escrow-europa.com/escrow/english/index.htm

Costs 8 euros for a basic transaction, But to be honest, the more we look at these problems the more i feel that 100% guarantee is just not feasable.

There HAS to be an element of trust and that trust falls on us, not VB.org or jelsoft.

Theres two ways you can go about this, the trusting way and the more expensive way (Escrow, Proper company etc) I think we just need to find it in our hearts which one to go for at that particular moment

[lasto]

Forget about the trust as theres loads of trusted coders on here,and i should know as ive used them loads of times.Its the bad few that ruin it for the rest.
Maybe we should concentrate on how to solve issues when things do go wrong............................
Or even better idea - lets just forget it and should things go wrong then not even post about it.

Im gonna seriously have to back away from this thread.

[Spank]

As stated there's no 100% guaranteed way not to get scammed, but at least with a feedback system here the org it would make it easier for clients and coders to make an informed decision. I doubt false feedback would be much of an issue.

Currently clients can leave feedback on the coder they hired in the thread that they start, but the person taking the work doesn't have that option and if they can't start a thread about it then the coder can't make an informed decision on whether to take the work or not.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Spank

Currently clients can leave feedback on the coder they hired in the thread that they start, but the person taking the work doesn't have that option and if they can't start a thread about it then the coder can't make an informed decision on whether to take the work or not.

Just like the poster of a paid request has the option (and is encouraged) to leave feedback on the transaction, so do the takers of the request. If te taker wants to leave feedback on the transaction, then he will need to PM a staff member with his feedback, as he/she can not reply directly to the thread.

[Spank]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

Just like the poster of a paid request has the option (and is encouraged) to leave feedback on the transaction, so do the takers of the request. If te taker wants to leave feedback on the transaction, then he will need to PM a staff member with his feedback, as he/she can not reply directly to the thread.

Thanks for the info there Marco, I did notice this on a thread Lynne left feedback for last night. I'll certainly do that in future.

It'd be easier on staff members with a feedback system

[Marco van Herwaarden]

We maybe get 1 such a request in themonth, so no need to create a system to relieve the workload of staff.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

We maybe get 1 such a request in themonth, so no need to create a system to relieve the workload of staff.

Fair Enough Marco :up:

I think the result of a thread like this highlights the fact that Yes, there are some less than honest people out there and that we as individuals need to be extra careful in our dealings with strangers who charge for their services.

It wouldn't be fair, to try and offsett a percentage of the blame to VB.org, at the end of the day we, as individuals are responsible for what we decide to do, no one else.

Just be Careful, As Lasto pointed out, he's had plenty of help from Honest people on here and Yes they are here, you just need to look

Scams for a large site like this are bound to happen, with the many thousands of members and loads signing up every day, the chances are that you may come accross some un-savory types, so thats why we need to go into self help mode and double check before handing over cash. If you want to hire someone to do something, then speak out, ask, make a thread, but most importantly be 100% certain that you've done everything possible to minimise the risk.

Its not fair on the site, The staff (Who give their time to help us) to say that they should be doing more when really its us that should be doing more.

Its certainly opened my eyes, I started this thread to enquire about a feedback option, and what i've learnt over the week is, in all honestly, is the fact that WE need to look carefully at how we take on coders/designers, and have we looked at all the risks before handing over cash.

I was all for a feedback system but now, do we really want it to protect ourselves or just as a portal to pass the blame ???

[lasto]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

We maybe get 1 such a request in themonth, so no need to create a system to relieve the workload of staff.

And how many times do you get told that someone has been scammed Marco ?