I don't see why vbulletin licenses aren't free. I mean, proboards is free. Why not vbulletin? I just don't get it. I can make a poor forum using proboards for free, or I could make a vbulletin forum for $160, that's actually good! I know life isn't fair, but why can't the internet be fair? Someone needs to balance these kinds of things! Why not a forum as good as vbulletin, but completely free like proboards? ....*sigh*, how do people deal with it? I moderate at a site powered by vbulletin(forum.cheatmasters.com), It's awsome, so I come here to try to make one myself, and I find out you need to purchase a license, and then pay $30 a year to keep that license! I'm not known for getting angry, but that's sorta outrageous.... No offense..... it's not that it's bad you guys are trying to make some money, I just think more things in life could be free, you know? Sorry guys, but I need to give you a negative smiley face...