vborg's stance on fraudulent coders?

[yayvb]

Originally Posted by The Coldwood

Remember that this river can run both ways, oh so sadly.

Although maybe a different subject, what's sad is that I picked you (The Coldwood) for a project on June 8th and after about a month messaging you to find out the status and you telling me that it's been stalled due to an audit on your company. Of course this is about a month after I do my part, paying your $65 amount up front, and also giving you the description of the project up front. Atleast I knew you were working on the project I thought. Nope, another month goes by and now when I ask you the status you ask to send the project details again because you still haven't started.

I think that the saddest part, however, is that now that the project is about 2 months behind, and you are "getting ready to start" which you've said for 2 months now, you are actually telling me that I have to send the other half of the money to you? If you took the time to look down in our PM transcripts, you'd see that I've used the same PM so you could've read the details again on your own, and also you could see that you told me the charge was $65, not two payments of $65.

I've been ripped off by programmers before, this will be the 5th time if I don't get my funds returned. Obviously the problem is that I'm trustworthy and willing to send payment up front. From now on I'm done sending payment up front, and I'd advise others not to either.

[SaintDog]

I've been working with people over the internet for 6-8 years now and each project I've taken on has required the client to submit a 50% deposit before the project would begin.

Given, I also let the client know that the 50% deposit is 100% refundable should they decide to back away from the project and 50% or more of the project is not completed already.

With that small bit of information, I've never had an issue with a client that was not solved and I've never had an issue with a client paying 50%, whether it was a project quote of $50, $500 or $1000.

Trust is a major player, a portfolio to raise the level of trust and finally being friendly and professional has been a key player to any and all projects. It helps when you actually seem to care about their project and when you give them the idea that you care.

My thoughts, if you don't care, don't bother contacting someone. We all get busy, though if you're truly busy, explain it to a client and let them know. Generally, most don't care to work out an extension, given they don't need it the next day.

Originally Posted by Protoman

iTrader +1 :banana:

+2

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by yayvb

From now on I'm done sending payment up front, and I'd advise others not to either.

Good luck with this - because I'm afraid it works both ways - few programmers will start work on anything without some deposit payment up front.

[PennylessZ28]

Originally Posted by Erwin

This is partly why we have always been wary of having a services request forum - in the end, we bowed to public demand and added it. The bottom line is that vB.org does not and cannot verify the service providers here - it's not our aim and would take too much resources - therefore, members have to be careful, and if they are defrauded to contact the local police and relevant authorities.

Thats pretty much the deal.

[The Coldwood]

Originally Posted by yayvb

Although maybe a different subject, what's sad is that I picked you (The Coldwood) for a project on June 8th and after about a month messaging you to find out the status and you telling me that it's been stalled due to an audit on your company. Of course this is about a month after I do my part, paying your $65 amount up front, and also giving you the description of the project up front. Atleast I knew you were working on the project I thought. Nope, another month goes by and now when I ask you the status you ask to send the project details again because you still haven't started.

No, I ask because I was finished and I needed to send you a physical copy. It is my company's policy.

Originally Posted by yayvb

I think that the saddest part, however, is that now that the project is about 2 months behind, and you are "getting ready to start" which you've said for 2 months now, you are actually telling me that I have to send the other half of the money to you? If you took the time to look down in our PM transcripts, you'd see that I've used the same PM so you could've read the details again on your own, and also you could see that you told me the charge was $65, not two payments of $65.

Simple typographical error and nothing more. How long do I have to keep apologising for this?

Originally Posted by yayvb

I've been ripped off by programmers before, this will be the 5th time if I don't get my funds returned. Obviously the problem is that I'm trustworthy and willing to send payment up front. From now on I'm done sending payment up front, and I'd advise others not to either.

Actually, you already have your code and I sent you a copy of it in the mail via Canada Post.