To enforce a valid coding style in the community!

[amykhar]

When it's all said and done, nobody minds that you want to improve the code on this site Dark. What is torking people is that you seem to need some official title and label to do it.

When Kirby makes suggestions about my code, I listen to it. He has earned my respect and I know he knows his stuff. He doesn't need a label, and I don't get the feeling that he's running around judging code. I get the feeling that he's interested in the mod and is entering a conversation about improving it. No label. No committee. Just better code when he's done.

You don't need a committee to improve the code here. You need manners, a good reputation and tact. (I'm not saying you don't have those things. I'm just saying that anybody who is going to run around making corrections needs them.)

The last go around with the committee idea was killed by ego. And, I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling this go around either.

One final point, I could care less about the coding style of the mods posted here. Why? What I am looking for is IDEAS. I am looking for the creative mind that comes up with things that make vbulletin better. I seldom use mods exactly as they are written. You wouldn't recognize a lot of the Inferno Quiz any more on my site. I've gutted it and made it what I need. Zero's coding style is certainly nothing like Jelsoft's , but it's clearly organized and easy to read. Good enough for me.

And, if your labels drive away even one coder, this place loses. Such a small minority contributes anything around here so as it is. RELEASE good code as examples. Help improve the mods you use. Contribute. Be a peer and not a judge. You get the results you want, and you haven't insulted anybody.

Amy

[The Geek]

Originally Posted by Dark Visor

What's a mack???

Its to satifsy all the wackos that insist on debating 'is it a mod or a hack?'.

LMAO. You are right, don't participate in this discussion. Oh, and will you now say that I am forcing you to participate in it?

Much in the same way a train wreck forces you to stare.

[Boofo]

A very wise lady just made that post. Good one, Amy.

[bigcurt]

Originally Posted by amykhar

When it's all said and done, nobody minds that you want to improve the code on this site Dark. What is torking people is that you seem to need some official title and label to do it.

When Kirby makes suggestions about my code, I listen to it. He has earned my respect and I know he knows his stuff. He doesn't need a label, and I don't get the feeling that he's running around judging code. I get the feeling that he's interested in the mod and is entering a conversation about improving it. No label. No committee. Just better code when he's done.

You don't need a committee to improve the code here. You need manners, a good reputation and tact. (I'm not saying you don't have those things. I'm just saying that anybody who is going to run around making corrections needs them.)

The last go around with the committee idea was killed by ego. And, I'm not getting a warm fuzzy feeling this go around either.

One final point, I could care less about the coding style of the mods posted here. Why? What I am looking for is IDEAS. I am looking for the creative mind that comes up with things that make vbulletin better. I seldom use mods exactly as they are written. You wouldn't recognize a lot of the Inferno Quiz any more on my site. I've gutted it and made it what I need. Zero's coding style is certainly nothing like Jelsoft's , but it's clearly organized and easy to read. Good enough for me.

And, if your labels drive away even one coder, this place loses. Such a small minority contributes anything around here so as it is. RELEASE good code as examples. Help improve the mods you use. Contribute. Be a peer and not a judge. You get the results you want, and you haven't insulted anybody.

Amy

Best post in this thread ( other than maybe my retard in olympics pic ) thanks amy.



~Curt

[Logikos]

Originally Posted by amykhar

You don't need a committee to improve the code here. You need manners, a good reputation and tact.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. Kirby has helped me many times in my threads with code. Hes not judging me, he is telling me there is an eaiser way to do what I did. And it's up too me if i want to update my code. Normaly, I will...

[southernlady]

One final point, I could care less about the coding style of the mods posted here. Why? What I am looking for is IDEAS. I am looking for the creative mind that comes up with things that make vbulletin better. I seldom use mods exactly as they are written.

That's because YOU are a coder...some of us HAVE to use the codes EXACTLY as written, Amy, we have NO OPTION! We are NOT coders, remember?

I've never said use a label. I simple said do not release non-valid code to the unsuspecting public. Liz

[amykhar]

Originally Posted by southernlady

That's because YOU are a coder...some of us HAVE to use the codes EXACTLY as written, Amy, we have NO OPTION! We are NOT coders, remember?

I've never said use a label. I simple said do not release non-valid code to the unsuspecting public. Liz

You may be right. This site probably needs a warning label. It should clearly say that the code released here is written by unpaid hobbyists. Use it at your own risk. But, that's a different topic.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by southernlady

That's because YOU are a coder...some of us HAVE to use the codes EXACTLY as written, Amy, we have NO OPTION! We are NOT coders, remember?

I've never said use a label. I simple said do not release non-valid code to the unsuspecting public. Liz

I am all for the system if they can do it without labeling anyone.

[akanevsky]

@Dark Visor
A prettyprinter is a Software/Script that parses source-code, and outputs it again formatted as you specify/like.
For exampe, a well-known prettyprinter for HTML is HTMLTidy.

Is there one for PHP?

Wait a second. DV are you bluntly stating that you will release code that will destroy a users database. Such as post, threads, forums, ect... ?

Yap. And you may never know which one of my hacks will have the destroying code, cause from now on I am going to release all my hacks one-lined and hopefully double-encoded with ionCube and Zend.

What is torking people is that you seem to need some official title and label to do it.

I never said that I want a title. What I want is an ability to mark hack threads as either "optimized" or "not optimized"... This mark does not necessarily need to be output into HTML, but the end-users should have an option to filter out the threads with that mark, using a specially formed URL or a usercp option.

See, those who care about their board should have a right to know how safe is it to install a certain hack. They should, therefore, have an option to filter out only those hack threads that have been marked as "optimized".

I, personally, care how well my board runs and that's why I think twice before installing any hacks that have unoptimized code or queries... This is why I click "INSTALL" on so many hacks without actually installing them later. I click it just because I like the idea and would like to review the hack later and see if it is worth installing (taking into account the code).

If the majority of this community's members do not care about their board, it's either because they are end-users who do not know much about programming, because they are end-users who are obsessed with installing all different kinds of hacks on their board, or because they are coders who care only to quickly finish the code and receive the results, without actually caring how safe or right the code is. Often the latter end up in writing "2 + 2 + 4 - 1 + 10 - 1" instead of simply writing "2 + 14".

Those, who want their boards clean, should in my opinion have the opportunity to know what they are installing without having to download the hack and read through its code, esspecially if they are not programmers and for that reason simply are not able to do it...

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by southernlady

I've never said use a label. I simple said do not release non-valid code to the unsuspecting public. Liz

"non-valid" is a label.

There is no need for this - vb.org seems to have survived without this for a number of years - and as this thread clearly demostrates, all it will do is cause division and bad feeling.