vb3 is bloat

[Feran]

Seriously, vBulletin 3.0 looks like it's going to be a bloat. Why the ridiculous hierarchy system of replies? Does anyone really click a specific person's post to reply to or do they just hit reply whenever? And most likely it'll be quick reply.

I honestly hope not too many features are added.

Opinions?

[filburt1]

It's hierarchal because internally, the system is purely multithreaded, unlike the current thread-post system. There is an option to switch to an emulated linear view.

BTW, not to sound offensive, but nobody's forcing you to upgrade. You can stay with vB2 for as long as you want; FlashKit went years before switching their vB1 installation.

[Feran]

I know that view is available.

This "similar threads" thing looks like it's going to bog down the server with queries, and I see various other features.

I know no one's forcing me to upgrade, but the inherent meaning of upgrade is to make the forum better. As long as speed and server load isn't sacrificed, though, I don't see any problems.

I also wonder if the complexities given to the new vB 3 system will make it harder to hack?

The current engine is amazingly easy to use and customize. I've never seen the likes of such flexibility in my life.

[filburt1]

Remember you can turn off stuff as well. vB.com has most of the options on to show off the product features, at least until an updated admin CP demo becomes available.

Although I do agree with you somewhat: forums have become far too complex for a new computer user to come close to understanding. If they were dead simple, at least in the user interface aspect, problem solved.

[Feran]

Coding is too complex for a computer user to come close to understanding. Simple errors such as "cannot include file" with the error file being "hackname.php.php" has to be posted in a hack's thread as opposed to realising to just modify the code to not mess up the filename.

It's not that the forum UI is complex, it's that there needs to be a little guide to the modular sense in which vBulletin has been set up, so that coders can customize with ease.

Inherently, though, a message board is simple. Posts are a series of IDs, and some posts register as parent threads from which replies hang.

Hacks like quick reply are just a matter of adding a form to send default parameters on showthread.php versus going to a specific page.

Things really shouldn't be that hard.

Turning stuff off is good.. *drool* :P

[Velocd]

I haven't a clue why you're arguing. :^/

Hacks like the quick reply were created because of our laziness. It's hardly complex to use. The similar threads isn't complex to use.

[Feran]

I'm just saying that I fear vB 3.0 will become bloat, slow, and server intensive :P

[colicab-d]

erm I may be a bit dumb in saying this.. but wont Scott and the rest of Jelsoft make sure thats its not before releasing it?

I mean they ran vb3 for a year before giving it out to testers who then ran it several months (on some huge communitys)

finally they gave us the public beta

Ive been using vb3 since the first beta to the public was given out.. and although im not running a huge community a lot of my members prefer vb3 and use its features to advantage

[Erwin]

Originally Posted by Feran

I'm just saying that I fear vB 3.0 will become bloat, slow, and server intensive :P

Wrong. vB3 is LESS server intensive because a lot of the code is more optimized. Also, it's EASIER to hack, since the code is rationalized, and redundant code removed. It appears slower because of the increase in Javascript, but that can be disabled.

[KuraFire]

Originally Posted by Feran

This "similar threads" thing looks like it's going to bog down the server with queries, and I see various other features.

Similar Threads are generated upon creation of a new thread. They run one tough query when you create a thread, and store the results. Then it runs one VERY LIGHT query to display them to get the live reply counts. It won't bog down your server at all.

I know no one's forcing me to upgrade, but the inherent meaning of upgrade is to make the forum better. As long as speed and server load isn't sacrificed, though, I don't see any problems.

vB3 processes a lot more data (permissions, settings, cached data, etc.) than vB2, and does it much faster than vB2. That should tell you that it's a major speed and load improvement.

I also wonder if the complexities given to the new vB 3 system will make it harder to hack?

At first, hacking vB3 will give you headaches, because there's many more things to take into account now: phrases, different permissions, optimization, caches, and tons more functions to automate processes everywhere. However, hacking vB3 will teach you more efficient, advanced coding, and pretty soon you'll discover that vB3 has been created in such a way that Hacking it is a BLISS. a Gift from the heavens. Tons easier than vB2 once you get the hang of it.
And I can know, I've done some serious vB3-hacking already ^_^

Hacking vB3 is so nice that I have refused to do any vB2 hacking ever since I started hacking vB3.

The current engine is amazingly easy to use and customize. I've never seen the likes of such flexibility in my life.

The vB3 engine is about 4 times more easy to use and customize, and infinitely more flexible. Seriously.