Don't send emails in/to the UK after March 2009

[AdrianH]

http://www.itpro.co.uk/609487/isp-em...iff-opposition

New rules set to come into force in March will require all Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to keep information about every e-mail sent or received in the UK for a year.......... (more)

The clueless Whitehall muppets strike again.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by CareyCrew

http://www.itpro.co.uk/609487/isp-em...iff-opposition




The clueless Whitehall muppets strike again.

I agree 100%

New rules set to come into force in March will require all Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to keep information about every e-mail sent or received in the UK for a year.

As the day grows closer so the opposition becomes more vocal.

The Home Office says that the data - which will not include the content of the emails - will be essential as it tackles high profile crimes like terrorism. But other groups and experts are concerned that it represents the thin end of the privacy wedge. Add to this the government's previous track record in handling personal data, which puts its role as guardian under greater scrutiny.

I like this bit...

will be essential as it tackles high profile crimes like terrorism

What really makes me mad is that they use these so called Anti Terror laws to fine people that put their Rubbish out on a wrong day.

The Labour Government in the UK has been the worst for years, They have added so many taxes and destroyed so much since being in power that its gonna take a long time to put right.

Just see what they are doing in the next year or so, because they know damm well they won't get into power again, for a very long time

... i first thought Carey was asking us to stop spamming the UK... lol...

content control in Europe is less known than the one in the USA... here in Quebec, we are protected by laws, our governments can be sued if they do such a thing. the only capability they have to avoid spaming and piracy is to lower the bandwidth for high-end clients... as the softwares/games are bigger every day, if you have less speed to download them, you will abandon -- their philosophy... lol

[Magnumutz]

That's not good...

[Azhrialilu]

When I read the numerous reports on this earlier today, my first question was (and still is) without knowing the actual content of the emails - which they keep stating they're not keeping - how exactly will holding the information of who sent the email, who it was sent to, at what time and by which ISP will help tackle high-level crime? I mean, I can't see many high level criminals putting "Information on that big bank heist we're planning" or any variation thereof in the title box of their email, can you?

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by Azhrialilu

When I read the numerous reports on this earlier today, my first question was (and still is) without knowing the actual content of the emails - which they keep stating they're not keeping - how exactly will holding the information of who sent the email, who it was sent to, at what time and by which ISP will help tackle high-level crime? I mean, I can't see many high level criminals putting "Information on that big bank heist we're planning" or any variation thereof in the title box of their email, can you?

However it provides a method of tracking someone's movements over the past year. Those people involved in high level crimes or wanted by authorities are less likely to stay in one location. If you have IP records which usually map to a specific location for that time, then you can track their movements and do real investigation to find associates and other information.

Any real technological criminal is going to use 1024-bit or 2048-bit key-based encryption on their sensitive mails so keeping the contents wouldn't provide much information. If you're worried about being spied on then use encryption yourself. PGP can be used with just about any email system.

Personally, I am not worried about it. I don't plan crimes via email or knowingly associate with criminals.The most dangerous thing that someone can find out about me through emails is my daily bank account balance. Even if that email contained an account number and password, they can't login without having my cellphone in their possession and knowing my secret questions.

I can't see how people are concerned about this with the way email works anyway. Your emails bounce from server to server in an unencrypted format. Any server along the way could belong to a law enforcement agency that captures all information. If you use SSL to login to retrieve email, that only protects the connection between your computer and your email server. It doesn't protect from the sending server or any stops in between. If you're concerned about privacy then you already use PGP for your emails and only give the public key to people you trust. If you don't then your just blustering about your concerns.

[lasto]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

However it provides a method of tracking someone's movements over the past year. Those people involved in high level crimes or wanted by authorities are less likely to stay in one location. If you have IP records which usually map to a specific location for that time, then you can track their movements and do real investigation to find associates and other information.

Any real technological criminal is going to use 1024-bit or 2048-bit key-based encryption on their sensitive mails so keeping the contents wouldn't provide much information. If you're worried about being spied on then use encryption yourself. PGP can be used with just about any email system.

Personally, I am not worried about it. I don't plan crimes via email or knowingly associate with criminals.The most dangerous thing that someone can find out about me through emails is my daily bank account balance. Even if that email contained an account number and password, they can't login without having my cellphone in their possession and knowing my secret questions.

I can't see how people are concerned about this with the way email works anyway. Your emails bounce from server to server in an unencrypted format. Any server along the way could belong to a law enforcement agency that captures all information. If you use SSL to login to retrieve email, that only protects the connection between your computer and your email server. It doesn't protect from the sending server or any stops in between. If you're concerned about privacy then you already use PGP for your emails and only give the public key to people you trust. If you don't then your just blustering about your concerns.

so because of the few they track the lot ?
Thats like saying if the police are raiding a house on a street then they may as well raid them all.
If you going to plan crimes you not going to send it in an email anyway are u - surely no one is that dumb.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by lasto

surely no one is that dumb.

This bloke is

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by lasto

If you going to plan crimes you not going to send it in an email anyway are u - surely no one is that dumb.

You've never seen the show "Stupid Criminals" have you.

Guy robs a convenience store but is hungry.. steals popcorn and eats it on the way home several blocks away. Leaves trail of kernals and the cops follow it to his flat.

Another guy steals an ATM machine... not the contents but the entire machine and leaves it in his front yard while he goes to borrow a torch from his buddy. Cops are waiting when he gets home.

Just heard this one today.
Person is carjacked. His BMW has his phone in it. Using a friend's phone, he sends text messages to the criminals arranging a night of illicit drug use and companionship. Criminals give address over text messaging and the cops are alerted.

Oh wait.. you have probably heard this one in the news.

United States Congressional Representative is having an illicit affair with young pages of the same sex. Sends them love emails. Emails are leaked and he is charged with corruption and sexual assault on a minor.

Stupidity seems to run in Criminal circles.

The number one method of terrorist cells to communicate these days are web-based email and cellphone messages. I am sure there are some stupid ones out there that are not using disposable devices or email addresses.

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Oh I forget one thing.. If you're really that paranoid and already using PGP to protect your emails, then don't send emails through your ISP. You have a domain, web based interfaces for email are a dime a dozen. Create an email, install web based email software, install a self-signed certificate and PGP and then go to some random URL to send email. The ISP can't record information it doesn't have.

I am not paranoid but don't even know what my ISP assigned email addresses are. I might switch ISPs tomorrow but I want to keep my email address so I use third party email providers.

[lasto]

i have nothing in my emails that is personal tbh and i use googlemail.Its just the point of them being able to keep a record of all my emails that annoys me.Have they got a warrant for such thing as to enter my house they need a warrant yet to read any letters (yes emails are letters and should be protected) they should also need a warrant.
Remember not all cops are honest and it just needs a few to abuse the system.