[Dean C]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

Only in hindsight. It would hurt the members first, and then after a few months they wouldn't come here, and THAT is what would then hurt vB. You would need to organize before this had any real effect. First start a site where all the coders could post their mods once they removed them from here (hasn't this been done before?). Then the members won't get hurt as much, but how would you contact the members and let them know about the new site? But all of this only gives you some leverage. It doesn't make you a union per se. The coders have every right to organize and do what's in their best interest. Doing it in a fashion that won't turn the members against you is going to be the hardest step. These things take time.

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You think that the coders here want to destroy this site? If it wasn't for this site I probably would have never ended up at university and I probably never would have learned how to program. I have a strong affinity for this site and I've earned a hell of a lot of money for a young man as a result of my earlier years here. I want what's best for vBulletin.org, but as it stands there has been a lot of unrest and the fire's have been put out by promoting those who were there starting them in the first place. Now I disagree with a lot of things on this site as it stands and I think people still do too. So that is why I proposed this idea of a union, where members could gather their ideas and propose them to staff instead of having these long, dull, monotonous threads of name-calling, only for a couple of the staff to come in and try and calm things down by mocking themselves.

There are serious issues here that need to be discussed in a diplomatic manner, and I honestly feel that having some form of representation as a whole would strongly benefit the members here who want to fight for change.